Dorren, the Masamune and Crono's death

[Ryu-Kami]

I a have few things ask. More like a theory and a nogging question.

1)Dorren is Masa and Mune's older sister, so she should similar ability to change she form of people or objects. Has it been stated that she was ever an item before join to form the Mastermune?

2)I believe that Masamune would of been puifed, even without the events of Serge fighting Dario. The Masa and Mune were awaken by Dorren, who apparently been searching for them for a while. With them up, they released the evil-energy on their own. But I can't remember much of the later, lesser parts of Cross. Can someone remind me about what happen to the Masamune after Lynx took it?

3) This isn't related to the others, but it's be bugging me for a while. In Crono was "killed" by Lavos in Ocean Palace, what was point of that spark-thing floating out of him? Was is his soul? The clone others used to save him? A random refence to a old folktale? It just seemed pointless.

[Kyronea]

1. That's Doreen(essentially Dream, the way Japanese speakers tend to pronounce it) but no, she's never stated as part of an item prior to becoming part of the Grand Dream/Mastermune.

2. (Would've. It's a fjorking contraction! Seeing would of drives me nuts!) As far as I remember, we don't know what happened to the Grandleon/Masamune after Lynx took it.

3. ...it was the pendent.

[Ryu-Kami]

I keep forgetting. It's "Doreen". 2 'e's

(Would've. It's a fjorking contraction! Seeing would of drives me nuts!)

I don't catch that.

3. ...it was the pendent.

Ok. I thought it was something more, with the cut-scene in the PS version.

[Kyronea]

Nope, it was the pendent all the way. Remember, the Elder of the Last Village mentions the pendent, and Crono had that pendent with him till the moment of death. Ergo, it's the pendent.

Also, for what you didn't catch:

I believe that Masamune would of been puifed

[Ryu-Kami]

Do I feel stupid...er.

Anyway, I think, as far as dealing with the Ideal timeline and the possible events that could of happened even if Serge's adventure didn't take place; the Masamune's period of evil would end in 1020 A.D. Doreen appears out of nowhere during the fight and seemed to know about everything that happened. If it wasn't for her knocking their heads together in spirit form, Masa & Mune would have remained asleep, and the blade fulled with dark energy. All that Serge did was help catch her attention sooner, and prove to be a good weilder of the weapon.

[Kyronea]

I agree with you, under the circumstances. Doreen would have awoken Masa and Mune regardless of Serge's intervention.

'Course, given their ability to transcend time, it's quite possible the Masamune remained purified in the Ideal timeline.

[Chrono'99]

It wan't the pendant. The PSX cutscene shows that it was some sort of energy ball... it seems to be a spark of energy that Lavos created to cause the explosion that annihilated Crono. Or something.

[Kyronea]

It wan't the pendant. The PSX cutscene shows that it was some sort of energy ball... it seems to be a spark of energy that Lavos created to cause the explosion that annihilated Crono. Or something.

Yes, I recall that scene...at the time I thought it nothing but an embellishment of what we'd already seen. How does that make sense anyway, though? And if it wasn't the pendent, how did the pendent arrive on Marle's shoulder/by the side of whoever was present if Crono held onto it till the very end?

[Chrono'99]

The pendant likely arrived on Marle's side because it wasn't destroyed by the explosion, or because it fell from Crono's pocket before Crono got nuked or something... everything is possible really. There was no visible pendant in the ball of energy, so the ball was probably not the pendant.

[Kyronea]

That seems like a cop-out explanation. In the original the pendant was represented by that shiny orb sprite, and the pendant also ended up on Marle's shoulder. Thusly, it seems reasonable to conclude it was the pendant.

But then you may be right...we don't know exactly how Lavos disintegrated Crono, so the energy ball very well could be something Lavos used to kill him.

[Zaperking]

We must remember that the pendant is special, and probably like the Masamune has some sort of spiritual power. After all, this pendant saved Kidd regardless if she wanted to be saved, in life and death situations. Maybe an essence of Schala is in it, or something. Otherwise it's strange how Kidd began talking about the whole of Belthasars plan in Chronopolis, unless Schala was communicating with her through the flame.

[VinceIP]

That shiny thing was Crono's soul! I could've sworn on the PSX version that ball of light came out of Crono's mouth. He looked at it for a second with a look of fear and dissentigrated. I don't remember what happened to the light after that. Someone should go find the video cutscenes on the internet somewhere and share it so we can see what happened.

[Chrono'99]

The powers of Kid's pendant are not the same as the original pendant's. Something apparently changed at some point.

I guess the shiny spark could be Crono's soul. I dismissed the thought at first because I think it's weird that he'd still be conscious if his soul was really removed from himself... But if the spark came out of his mouth, then maybe.

[tjbk_tjb]

I've only read these descriptions, but it sounds almost like his insides burst into flames and a fireball came out of his mouth. Of course, that sounds silly and would look more fiery.

[Magus_Brokenhart]

2) Not so sure that she'd come on her own. The sword did a lot after the events of Chrono Trigger, and she never seemed to notice. Defeating Dario seems to have triggered it. The Masamune was stolen from Guardia after Lynx provided Porre with new technology. All the killing and and massacre it was used for seemed to have turned it evil. It ended in the Dragon Falls where Radius found it, and then at the Isle of the Damned. Afterwards Dario is killed by Karsh, and Lynx takes it to use it as a shield for the Dead Sea.

3) That spark was the pendant, nothing more. Lavos would not create such a pathetically small spark attack. He used a huge beam to disintegrate Crono's body. They just want to accentuate how special the pendant is to the point where it can take a full-on Lavos attack unscathed.