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Re: partiacl physics
« Reply #30 on: May 06, 2007, 11:06:28 pm »
Photons are the carrier of the electromagnetic force.  This has been proven.  I believe the reason you think they are pure energy is because when matter and antimatter annihilate, they release photons of energy equal to their mass via Einstein's famous equation.
As for the Higgs boson and mass, that gets into something I'm not very up on.  Several sources say the masses that the Higgs boson is associated with are its own and the mass of the W and Z particles which govern the weak nuclear force.  Other sources say it is the primal particle that governs mass and creates the Higgs field which makes the four fundamental forces possible.  The truth is probably parts of both, and is related to this "electroweak symmetry problem" that is quite frankly beyond my present understanding. 

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Re: partiacl physics
« Reply #31 on: May 07, 2007, 04:49:55 am »
I... don't know =[
Is that right Mr. Idonttknoweverythingaboutholes.
black is not a colour it is a lack of light
Wrrrrrong. If black was the lack of light, then how could this appear:

It just doesn't reflect right.

$50 dollars I'm wrong!

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Re: partiacl physics
« Reply #32 on: May 07, 2007, 07:26:37 am »
You're half-right, Zeppy. The physics of color are more complex than we are giving them credit for here.

The black square you posted was created by the computer ordering the monitor to light up none of the pixels in that area. You can test that by filling up the entire screen with a purely black image, suddenly switching off the monitor, and then comparing the two "blacks" with each other. They will be identical, excepting for whatever distortion results on the monitor screen as the result of being energized. In this particular case, then, it really is an instance of "no light," and you would owe me $50.

However, that isn't the universal explanation for blackness. The "color" black is actually any kind of pigment which, as you would point out, reflects very little light. You can see this in print media; for instance, a sheet of paper that has some text printed on it. The darkness of those dark marks is not the absence of light itself, because we know that just as much light is striking the dark parts of the paper as the white parts. Rather, the darkness of those dark marks is the result of the absence of reflected light. Had you used the example of a printed sheet of paper, you would have won your $50 bet.

Yet there is still more complexity to consider. In cases where there truly is no light available, then everything will appear black regardless of how reflective it is. This is the general case of "no light," of which electronic monitors are a specific example, and, had you used the example of, say, a darkened room, you would still owe me $50.

Another fundamentally different type of "black" is nothing, which invariably shows up to our eyes as black.

There is plenty of reading on the subject, and anyone interested can begin at no harder a destination than Wikipedia. As for you, Zeppy: Because I am so beneficent, I release you from your debt. =)
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Re: partiacl physics
« Reply #33 on: May 07, 2007, 08:24:47 am »
Yeah, but you didn't use pictures. So there. Plus, I'm half right, so that along with your beneficency gives me a cool $25.

Has anyone actually seen a state of no light? For all we know, it could be purple. Same with nothing. No ones ever seen absolute nothing. But then again, this is just theory, and for all I know, people might've seen it. Won't risk this one.

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Re: partiacl physics
« Reply #34 on: May 07, 2007, 08:27:19 am »
Actually, when something is black, say, my wireless mouse for example, it appear black because it reflects every color that comes in contact with it ( Mix all the colors with paint ans its black ).

and objects that are white absorb every color.

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Re: partiacl physics
« Reply #35 on: May 07, 2007, 09:13:22 am »
The ways paint mix and the ways light mix are completely different. When all colours mix in light, it makes white- for example, most light you see around you is just a combination of all the colour waves in light, or whatever they're called.

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Re: partiacl physics
« Reply #36 on: May 07, 2007, 09:44:46 am »


Has anyone actually seen a state of no light? F
You can't. Your eyes require light to be able to see, so you cannot see a state of no light...it'd just be all black, as if you were blind.

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Re: partiacl physics
« Reply #37 on: May 07, 2007, 10:00:16 am »
I can't believe that people fancy themselves so enlightened that a simple discussion of the most basic attributes of the straightforward case of "blackness" can be so contentious. This is an open-and-close subject. Good grief, do you people know anything?

I don't know why I bother. I stayed out of the (even more ludicrous) main topic of discussion because I knew it was hopeless to try and sway people's religiosity on their own interpretations of what few scraps of scientific learning they may have cobbled together through half-remembered classroom lectures and double-assed infotainment hit jobs in the news. But with something fundamentally obvious, like black, I thought I could make a quick factual clarification and get the discussion back onto its corny pseudoscientific track.

But no! Instead we're talking about what color black really is. You people go right ahead and wallow in the lowest marshes of quasi-academic mud. To hell with black and white! I am going to go far, far away from this frighteningly illiterate topic and have a nice, tall, frosty glass of fucking orange juice!

"No good deed..." indeed!

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Re: partiacl physics
« Reply #38 on: May 07, 2007, 10:03:04 am »
*angry rant*
Calm down, J! I'm listening to you, even if no one else is.

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Re: partiacl physics
« Reply #39 on: May 07, 2007, 12:30:22 pm »
When paints, or color filters for that matter, mix, their *absorptions* are combined, not their reflections or transparencies.  This as well has been proven.  Now, if we can get back to the complicated particle stuff please...

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Re: partiacl physics
« Reply #40 on: May 07, 2007, 04:30:40 pm »
*angry rant*
Calm down, J! I'm listening to you, even if no one else is.

Are you trying to piss him even more or was it a sad excuse for calming him down? 'Cause if you really want to piss him off you should show him this:




HOLY FU%&ING SH*T!

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Re: partiacl physics
« Reply #41 on: May 07, 2007, 09:07:01 pm »


Are you trying to piss him even more or was it a sad excuse for calming him down?
I was trying to calm him down, since he seemed to be pretty pissed, though it seemed more like he was taking out anger due to other issues on the posters of this thread, which I think is unnecessary and rude.

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Re: partiacl physics
« Reply #42 on: May 08, 2007, 04:42:21 am »
Next topic on the agenda: Do we really only have five fingers?

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Re: partiacl physics
« Reply #43 on: May 09, 2007, 02:37:02 am »


Are you trying to piss him even more or was it a sad excuse for calming him down?
I was trying to calm him down, since he seemed to be pretty pissed, though it seemed more like he was taking out anger due to other issues on the posters of this thread, which I think is unnecessary and rude.

I don't need to be calmed down. I wasn't angry. There is plenty of room for sheer disgust outside the purview of anger. Maybe the tone was not well conveyed.

Sheer disgust is what it's really all about. You think it's rude that I would call people on their bullshit pseudo-intellectual make-it-uppery? That's rich. Let me tell you what I think is rude. I think it's rude when people pretend to know stuff they quite obviously don't. I think it's rude because it obscures the exchange of good information, because it demeans the other people present, because it's snobby, and especially because it is intellectually dishonest.

It's bad enough when people pretend to be experts about abstruse things like black holes that no one else can reasonably check them on--which has the overall effect of promoting an anti-scientific atmosphere where the currency of record is this ugly, gooey faith-based knowledge built on unchallenged assertions and unfounded assumptions. But when people try and pull that shit on subjects that are simple enough to be understood by many laypeople, it gets pretty bald-faced. And in that sense it because almost malicious--Orwellian, even.

For your consideration, Mr. Kyronea.

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Re: partiacl physics
« Reply #44 on: May 09, 2007, 02:46:09 am »

I don't need to be calmed down. I wasn't angry. There is plenty of room for sheer disgust outside the purview of anger. Maybe the tone was not well conveyed.

Sheer disgust is what it's really all about. You think it's rude that I would call people on their bullshit pseudo-intellectual make-it-uppery? That's rich. Let me tell you what I think is rude. I think it's rude when people pretend to know stuff they quite obviously don't. I think it's rude because it obscures the exchange of good information, because it demeans the other people present, because it's snobby, and especially because it is intellectually dishonest.

It's bad enough when people pretend to be experts about abstruse things like black holes that no one else can reasonably check them on--which has the overall effect of promoting an anti-scientific atmosphere where the currency of record is this ugly, gooey faith-based knowledge built on unchallenged assertions and unfounded assumptions. But when people try and pull that shit on subjects that are simple enough to be understood by many laypeople, it gets pretty bald-faced. And in that sense it because almost malicious--Orwellian, even.

For your consideration, Mr. Kyronea.
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And you are absolutely correct. Why do you think I stopped posting any "information"? I began to realize I was doing exactly that: I was posting misinformation shoddly gathered by at most a grade-school understanding of the subject. I was doing exactly what is disgusting you, and to be honest? It disgusts me as well.

Forgive me...I misinterpreted your statement as angry and hateful, and it was the emotion I thought was rude, not the words. Your words are correct, and I agree with them. And I'm not just saying that to calm you down or anything, if that's what you'll be thinking when you read this. I am being completely honest, as I always am.