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« Reply #15 on: February 16, 2005, 11:46:31 pm »
Perhaps, Masa and Mune were strong enough to keep Lavos from corrupting the sword, but, with the added power boost form becoming the TD, Mas and Mune were easily conquered.

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« Reply #16 on: February 17, 2005, 01:44:52 pm »
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After defeating Dario, Masa & Mune choose Serge as the new wielder, thereby treating the Dario battle as a test for Serge.

Well, Serge never wielded the Masamune sword, since it was finally destroyed when he defeated Dario. Masa, Mune and Doreen then just decided to bind themselves to Serge's Sea Swallow.
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Radius and Dario both succumbed to the sword because they weren't strong enough to resist the evil in it; if Masa & Mune had been awake, then they wouldn't have been able to pick up the sword, since Masa & Mune would've tested them and they would have failed.

Note that Frog wasn't tested when he first wielded the Masamune.

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« Reply #17 on: February 17, 2005, 02:55:15 pm »
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After defeating Dario, Masa & Mune choose Serge as the new wielder, thereby treating the Dario battle as a test for Serge.

Well, Serge never wielded the Masamune sword, since it was finally destroyed when he defeated Dario. Masa, Mune and Doreen then just decided to bind themselves to Serge's Sea Swallow.


I thought of it as the Masamune being fused into/onto Serge's swallow by them, not destroyed.

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Radius and Dario both succumbed to the sword because they weren't strong enough to resist the evil in it; if Masa & Mune had been awake, then they wouldn't have been able to pick up the sword, since Masa & Mune would've tested them and they would have failed.

Note that Frog wasn't tested when he first wielded the Masamune.

Frog was already tested and passed at least 10 years prior, when he and Cyrus went to get the Masamune. The test given by Masa and Mune can be passed by multiple people at the same time, because otherwise you would have fought Masa & Mune with Crono alone.

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« Reply #18 on: February 17, 2005, 09:13:52 pm »
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After defeating Dario, Masa & Mune choose Serge as the new wielder, thereby treating the Dario battle as a test for Serge.

Well, Serge never wielded the Masamune sword, since it was finally destroyed when he defeated Dario. Masa, Mune and Doreen then just decided to bind themselves to Serge's Sea Swallow.


When you get the Mastermune, do you lose any swallows in your inventory?

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« Reply #19 on: February 18, 2005, 06:40:57 am »
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After defeating Dario, Masa & Mune choose Serge as the new wielder, thereby treating the Dario battle as a test for Serge.

Well, Serge never wielded the Masamune sword, since it was finally destroyed when he defeated Dario. Masa, Mune and Doreen then just decided to bind themselves to Serge's Sea Swallow.


When you get the Mastermune, do you lose any swallows in your inventory?

The Sea Swallow is replaced by the Mastermune. That's also why you couldn't sell or discard the former.

Hm, it's possible that the Masamune was merged with Serge's weapon. I had the impression that the sword simply exploded in the air after the battle with Dario, but now that I think about it I don't remember if the animation is the same as when it disappeared (teleported away and not being destroyed) at the entrance of the Dead Sea with Radius using the Einlanzer.

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« Reply #20 on: February 27, 2005, 12:41:39 am »
I personal belief is that the Masamune was made demonic when it was stolen in 1005.  In that cutscene, you see alot of dead bodies on the ground, and blood trickling down the blade.  Maybe that blood bath caused Masa and Mune to be "knocked out" because of the huge influx of negative energy.  Also, at the time of that cutscene, the Masamune was still in its "Holy Sword" form, not the "Red-Tree-Branch" form.

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« Reply #21 on: July 26, 2005, 03:08:18 pm »
I'll go with Sentenal on this one. I don't think Lavos has a connection with the sword. My interpretation was that the Ruby Knife was supposed to seal the energy of the Mammon Machine, and Crono's dreams caused the knife to become the sword Why would the sword absorb the Lavos energy? Then the Masamune would've failed at what Melchior was trying to accomplish. (Stop anyone from using Lavos' energy.)

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« Reply #22 on: August 06, 2005, 11:11:23 am »
Quick stupid question about the pronunciation of Masamune:

Is it, MA-SA-MOO-Nuh

or Ma-Sa-Mew-Nay

I've always said it the latter way, but I'm pretty sure its pronounced the first.

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« Reply #23 on: August 06, 2005, 11:17:52 am »
C'mon now, can't scour the FIRST page of Characters, Plot, & Theme?

How Do You Pronounce...?

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« Reply #24 on: August 06, 2005, 01:17:57 pm »
Just for shits and giggles, I'll answer.

"May-sa-moo-nay" or atleast that's how I pronounce it.

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« Reply #25 on: August 06, 2005, 03:32:47 pm »
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I'll go with Sentenal on this one. I don't think Lavos has a connection with the sword. My interpretation was that the Ruby Knife was supposed to seal the energy of the Mammon Machine, and Crono's dreams caused the knife to become the sword Why would the sword absorb the Lavos energy? Then the Masamune would've failed at what Melchior was trying to accomplish. (Stop anyone from using Lavos' energy.)


Lavos HAS to have a connection with the sword. It's energy is the energy that turns the ruby knife into the Masamune. If the ruby knife succeded in its purpose, Lavos wouldn't have awakened, and not destroyed Zeal.

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MELCHIOR: Wait, take this with you.

MELCHIOR: It's made from the same red
   stone as the Mammon Machine.
   With it, you can destroy the Machine!


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QUEEN: Th, the Mammon Machine!?

PROPHET: It's coming...!

SCHALA: N, no stop!
   That sword alone can't stop it!


As you can read, the knife didn't fullfill its purpose, and the same thing would have happened in the Lavos Timeline, when Melchior thrust the blade into the Machine instead of Crono.

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« Reply #26 on: August 07, 2005, 03:02:53 am »
Hmmm.

I personally go with the whole 'residue of negative energy' theory; after all, it's made of Dreamstone, which must be exceptionally sensitive to the will and intentions of its user. It would stand to reason that after enough bloodshed and chaos the sword would be heavily tainted and in need of a spiritual cleansing of sorts.

This has probably been avoided by the nature of the users to this point, as regulated by Masa and Mune, as it's been pointed out. Frog is really an exceptional being in terms of nobility, kindness, and pure intentions - I mean, in canon he spares the life of his worst enemy, who he's spent most of his existence fighting in some form or fashion. (Also, personally, I think he must've faced a lot of discrimination as a monster-type creature fighting on the human side. My personal version of Frog actually has a fair amount of compassion for the Mystics.)

I really don't know if the fact it's enhanced by Lavos' energy in and of itself is such a bad thing. Power is just power, really, and CT on its own has several examples of Lavos' energy being used against it (Masamune, pendant, etc.). I suppose an argument against this would be Zeal, though, but their tapping of Lavos' energy was obviously on a much higher scale.

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« Reply #27 on: August 07, 2005, 04:42:25 am »
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Also, personally, I think he must've faced a lot of discrimination as a monster-type creature fighting on the human side.


But he didn't really fight the Mystics as Frog until Crono & Co. came along...Although I suppose you could make a case for him having gone to the Cathedral in the original timeline...But even then...

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I really don't know if the fact it's enhanced by Lavos' energy in and of itself is such a bad thing.


Not to mention the whole Lavos-Entity/Planet energy circle...thingy...

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« Reply #28 on: August 07, 2005, 05:15:19 am »
Hey.. I just played Radical Dreamers.... And it's stated that the Masamune is the demonic brother of the Einlanzer.... And RD was made after CT as a prototype to join CT with CC.... What does this mean....

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« Reply #29 on: August 07, 2005, 05:30:23 am »
RD was not a 'prototype' of anything...It's just that parts of RD were integrated into being parts of CC (i.e. they just reused stuff from RD in CC).