The Masamune

[Zaperking]

Whats with the sarcasm?

Yes, Cronopolis would be doomed. Belthasars plans would have gone un forfilled, had it not been for Kid anyway.

[Legend of the Past]

Whats with the sarcasm?

You made Chronopolis seem way too important. Serge is more important then destroying Chronopolis, is existence threatens the very future.

[AuraTwilight]

To be fair, Legend of the Past, Chronopolis' destruction would have ruined Belthasar's plan to save Schala, which would have ruined everything.

[Legend of the Past]

Everything, as in all of Space-Time. I'm talking about the outcome here. I don't give a damn about Chronopolis, it's the future I care about. Well, as much as I'd care for a video-game world, I guess.

[Zaperking]

Umm, Yeah. Schala and Lavos would still one day merge and become the Time devourer if Cronopolis was destroyed, and the dimensions didn't split.. Cronopolis does play a major part in all of this.

[CatchRBFivy]

Sounds right, but is that definately true?  Maybe TD would never be fused.

[Legend of the Past]

I mentioned me own theory to ZeaLitY... That Lavos needs Serge to evolve to a complete TD, and he will get him to the Tesseract using the FF, like he pulled Chronopolis back to 7600 BC. He said it could also be a possibility, considering how it's never explained in-game why Serge threatens the future.

[Zaperking]

I always personally though that Lavos just wanted to kill Serge because he became the arbiter, making Lavos lose more connection to the outside world. It's almost like as if Schala wanted Serge to do it. Once the FF was only to be used by Serge, and he didn't know how to use it, Lavos could not get access to it, but the flame itself has a will.

That's why Serge has alot of hard choices, besides being the Crono Trigger. Probably if it wasn't for Kid, The TD would have matured sometime after 2400AD.

[Legend of the Past]

Lavos dosen't need the Flame to be anywhere except with FATE. FATE looked over the whole Planet, not just El-Nido. Therefore, he woulden't mind that turn of events. I still think he needs Serge to mature into a complete TD. Maybe the FF adds a gene Lavos can use to gain more power? Assuming Schala was an Arbiter, too, so he merged with her to survive. If he gets Serge, too, he has not only a source of life-force, but a greater source of power.

[AuraTwilight]

.....That's ridiculous. Schala arranged for Serge to be the Arbiter. And Lavos fused with Schala because she was the only living thing. I don't think he gave a damn about her being an Arbiter. Here we have someone who created the world as it is today. Why the hell would he be so richly empowered by an Arbiter? Whatever power they have is coming form him, so it'd be like eating himself. There's no net gain. Probably a net loss for wasting time and energy. And freeing the Time Devourer is essentially pointless. It will mature EVENTUALLY, and when it does, everything goes poof.

I find it more plausible to go with the "Serge's actions negates Crono's actions" thing. Makes more sense to me. If the Dead Sea is a glimpse of the future, and the future is determined by Serge's actions and fate, which, by your logic, is to set the Time Devourer free, wouldn't the Dead Sea be EMPTY? Like, ABSOLUTELY?

[Legend of the Past]

Okay, so if Serge negats Crono, what use is there to the TD? Lavos is gonna eat everything anyway, and you're just SO SURE that TD won't eat the past Lavos, when he'll be protected by TB, anyway!

Schala never intended for Serge to become Arbiter, she tried to save him.

You see, in VM, when Serge looks at the DT, Serge getting blown away by the FF, in what looks to be the Dead Sea.

http://www.rpgplanet.com/chrono/images/cc/ccwp10(800).gif

What does it do? Why does it flash and blow Serge away? Why does Serge seem so entranced by the FF on Terra Tower?

What makes no sense? Lavos uses Schala as a source for Life Force, because his core got destroyed. He'll use Serge for power, because he got his nifty skills from the FF. And as we can see, Serge can, at one point, best Lavos. He has the potential to kick Lavos' alien ass. If he's more powerful then Lavos, Lavos has more then enough reason to want him for his collection of merged beings.

[AuraTwilight]

Okay, so if Serge negats Crono, what use is there to the TD? Lavos is gonna eat everything anyway, and you're just SO SURE that TD won't eat the past Lavos, when he'll be protected by TB, anyway!

Less people to blowupify the Time Devourer.

Schala never intended for Serge to become Arbiter, she tried to save him.

Surely Schala must have known that saving Serge in this way would cause him to be the Arbiter. Plus, it was still part of Belthasar's plan to make all this happen.

What does it do? Why does it flash and blow Serge away? Why does Serge seem so entranced by the FF on Terra Tower?

I felt it was because the Dragon God was controlling the Frozen Flame and denying Serge his rights as the Arbiter. Plus, Y'know, I'm sure you'd be entranced by the Frozen Flame if it was right there.

What makes no sense? Lavos uses Schala as a source for Life Force, because his core got destroyed. He'll use Serge for power, because he got his nifty skills from the FF. And as we can see, Serge can, at one point, best Lavos. He has the potential to kick Lavos' alien ass. If he's more powerful then Lavos, Lavos has more then enough reason to want him for his collection of merged beings.

It's totally differen. Lavos merged with Schala to survive. Serge's powers come from Lavos! There's absolutely nothing to gain by absorbing Serge. The Time Devourer has no reason to extract it's own powers and give them to Serge just to absorb him again! And hey, Neither Crono or any of his friends are Arbiters and they still kicked his ass, so that's irrelevent.

[Legend of the Past]

Crono and co are powered by dreams. The only time they become exceptionel at anything is after seeing the people in the future, wishing for a better world. Plus, they have magic. Serge can ass-kick Lavos WITHOUT magic.

And, no, Schala didn't know it. Belthasar did, but Schala isn't Belthasar, and he never really had a chance to tell her, did he?

As for the trance... Well, your other two party members are just fine? And what's this about denying rights? The DG can't even use the FF, only Serge can. He just took it, Serge saw it again. This time, though, he was about to touch it. And the following, would be this:

http://www.rpgplanet.com/chrono/images/cc/ccwp10(800).gif

Besides, ZeaLitY didn't find this odd. I don't find this odd. Letrimh dosen't find this odd. It makes total sense. Lavos has hardly any individual powers. All he has, is Elements. Being as he has NONE of his power, being as his Core was DESTROYED, he needs to get his powers from Serge. BECAUSE HE DOSEN'T HAVE THEM!

[AuraTwilight]

So like, the Frozen Flame is running on nonexistent power? and hey, if Schala can talk through the Frozen Flame, and if she was once an Arbiter, I'm sure she's fully aware of the consequences of using it. and yea, the Dragon God still kinda took the Frozen Flame away from him. Thusly, he can't use it's power. And what do you call Elements? Similar enough to magic for me, Y'know? As for ZeaLitY and Leamih, I'll wait for verbal confirmation from the both of them. I would also surmise that the Core would be sent to the DBT with the rest of Lavos, as it's pretty much his consciousness. But like I said, whatever.

[Legend of the Past]

So like, the Frozen Flame is running on nonexistent power? and hey, if Schala can talk through the Frozen Flame, and if she was once an Arbiter, I'm sure she's fully aware of the consequences of using it. and yea, the Dragon God still kinda took the Frozen Flame away from him. Thusly, he can't use it's power. And what do you call Elements? Similar enough to magic for me, Y'know? As for ZeaLitY and Leamih, I'll wait for verbal confirmation from the both of them. I would also surmise that the Core would be sent to the DBT with the rest of Lavos, as it's pretty much his consciousness. But like I said, whatever.

Hey, believe what you will. And I talked to ZeaLitY on AIM... And Letrimh wrote this on his site... And you have no concrete evidence, just your opinions of what happaned, to negate my theory.