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Re: The Masamune
« Reply #90 on: August 17, 2006, 05:57:55 am »
Rather than the Masamune drinks the blood of the unclean sword, I think it absorbs negative energy(like the aura of a person) than the "sword drinks blood theory." Since the Masamune is suseptible to absorb energy, it's more likely that it absorbs negative energy due to the fact that it is made of dreamstone. It's highly probable that whoever stole the Masamune must be pure evil.

Another thing, since that the one who stole the Masamune wields a scythe, I think that Lynx is the likely suspect.

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Re: The Masamune
« Reply #91 on: August 17, 2006, 07:48:19 am »
The only problem with that is that Lynx was created 5 years after the Masamune went rouge..

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Re: The Masamune
« Reply #92 on: August 17, 2006, 08:49:05 am »
True, but aside from Magus & Lynx who else wields a scythe?

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Re: The Masamune
« Reply #93 on: August 17, 2006, 11:11:36 am »
Kato's mysterious antagonist.

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Re: The Masamune
« Reply #94 on: August 17, 2006, 11:37:53 am »
Another thing, since that the one who stole the Masamune wields a scythe,
He doesn't. In the video, it's clearly a sword with a spray of blood.

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Re: The Masamune
« Reply #95 on: August 17, 2006, 04:06:54 pm »
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Rather than the Masamune drinks the blood of the unclean sword, I think it absorbs negative energy(like the aura of a person) than the "sword drinks blood theory." Since the Masamune is suseptible to absorb energy, it's more likely that it absorbs negative energy due to the fact that it is made of dreamstone. It's highly probable that whoever stole the Masamune must be pure evil.

It's really the same thing, but the Masamune has absorbed negative energy (If Lavos energy is negative) and not been affected, and the Masamune is covered in blood at that time and certainly not cleaned.

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Re: The Masamune
« Reply #96 on: August 17, 2006, 11:35:54 pm »
Rather than the Masamune drinks the blood of the unclean sword, I think it absorbs negative energy(like the aura of a person) than the "sword drinks blood theory." Since the Masamune is suseptible to absorb energy, it's more likely that it absorbs negative energy due to the fact that it is made of dreamstone. It's highly probable that whoever stole the Masamune must be pure evil.

Another thing, since that the one who stole the Masamune wields a scythe, I think that Lynx is the likely suspect.

Actually, that is not the case at all. Masa and Mune clearly say that it is not who wields the sword, but how it is used. Someone that is evil but uses it for good purpose would not taint the sword, whilst a Crono who butchers people, even with good intentions, would serve to corrupt it. As such, it cannot be the energy of the wielder it absorbs, but rather of the events that it partakes in. Rather like a human being, in fact. Somone the is involved in a bloody war, no matter how just people might claim the cause to be, can be driven mad and violent by witnessing the actions of war.

Also, I must agree with all others that is is merely the blood, and not a scythe blade, that is shown in shadowy aspect in the cutscene. Heck, listen to the fighting sound - those sould like swords clashing. I don't even know if a sword and a scythe could be used against each other and, if they are, likely as not the scythe wielder would take the blows of the sword on the shaft, and and sword wielder woudl deflect the scythe by striking the shaft (likely attemping to break it there, too, as that would be its weakest part.) As such, it seems to be more of a sword battle.

One thing, though... who is to say that Janus would even use a scythe later? Don't you think that Janus the high prince of Zeal, chief Sorcerer of the Mystic tribes, could be best with a sword in near encounters, surpassing with a bow, perfect in the balancing of a thrown spear? He has that dread weapon as more of a symbol of terror, less a useful weapon - if anything, its best aspect would be anti-cavalry, as Clopin does in the Hunchback. But I think it strange that strong soldiers couldn't be versed in whatever they put their hands to.

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Re: The Masamune
« Reply #97 on: August 19, 2006, 12:08:58 pm »
Actually, that is not the case at all. Masa and Mune clearly say that it is not who wields the sword, but how it is used. Someone that is evil but uses it for good purpose would not taint the sword, whilst a Crono who butchers people, even with good intentions, would serve to corrupt it. As such, it cannot be the energy of the wielder it absorbs, but rather of the events that it partakes in. Rather like a human being, in fact. Somone the is involved in a bloody war, no matter how just people might claim the cause to be, can be driven mad and violent by witnessing the actions of war.

My memory is a bit hazy since I didn't play CT for 2 years so I didn't clearly remembered the cutscence... If the Masamune's corruption is based on events that the sword used, then it would take several if not hundreds of years to gradually corrupts the sword since that the Masamune is seldom used.

I based my theory on the material of the Masamune, you see that the Masamune is made of dreamstone & it has a tendancy to drain & absorb energy... So I conclude that what better way to corrupt the sword is to absorb negative energy from the wielder & its surroundings. 

Unless that the events held was filled with negative energy(like grudges.)  Strong emotions can be powerful can be a powerful energy, so powerful that it imprints its existance to its surroundings(example of this is a poltergeist) then I agree to your theory.
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Re: The Masamune
« Reply #98 on: August 19, 2006, 03:20:02 pm »
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it would take several if not hundreds of years to gradually corrupts the sword since that the Masamune is seldom used.

Or just an hour or so to do something incredibly wicked.

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Re: The Masamune
« Reply #99 on: August 20, 2006, 02:48:28 am »
Or just an hour or so to do something incredibly wicked.

A genocide will do.

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Re: The Masamune
« Reply #100 on: August 24, 2006, 09:35:55 pm »
Quick question that I probably just missed. If the timeline split, then where's the second Masamune? Home World's is accounted for via Radius and Dario, but what about Another's Masamune? At least, I think Radius killed Garai and Dario lived in Home World. Did Serge's death just negate the bringing of the sword to the archipelago entirely?

BTW, sorta off-topic, about the Dragon God-Dragon Tear thing, it looked to me like the Dragon God made another one when it reformed, as there was a blue orb forming in its mouth in that FMV, that seemed to me like it had the lattice pattern of the DT on it (Could just've been me, though).
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Re: The Masamune
« Reply #101 on: August 25, 2006, 06:33:46 pm »
I believe one Masamune was sealing the pathway to Dead Sea/Chronopolis (don't remember which), and the other was on the Damned Isle.

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Re: The Masamune
« Reply #102 on: August 25, 2006, 08:14:07 pm »
The Masamune sealed the Dead Sea. The Dragon Relics were needed to pass into the Sea of Eden where Chronopolis resides.
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Re: The Masamune
« Reply #103 on: August 26, 2006, 12:38:25 am »
The Masamune acting as a seal was the same one Dario used. If you'll recall, it was left on the Isle of the Damned, when Lynx appeared and retrieved it. Radius also states, "The Masamune only returned to its true owner!" when Dario reclaims it. So that doesn't solve the problem.

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Re: The Masamune
« Reply #104 on: August 26, 2006, 12:09:00 pm »
Its whereabouts are unknown in one of the world.