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« on: July 20, 2007, 02:30:18 am »
Who cares if there were an old one; I'm tired of seeing stuff like this:

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Join the forums, it's free and it's fast.

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The president spoke out today, the crowd did not respond enthusiastically.

What the hell is that? Those are two distinct thoughts joined retardedly with a comma by someone who apparently wasn't educated on the use of semicolons or dashes.

Now, unleash your hate for the misuse of English. God, this thread is like that nerd angst stuff on SomethingAwful, but I want to bring this to the attention of anyone to read it.
« Last Edit: July 20, 2007, 02:36:18 am by ZeaLitY »

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Re: English thread
« Reply #1 on: July 20, 2007, 03:29:56 am »

I'm game.  I express my anger with Timbaland for writing a song called "The Way I Are".  I should mention, however, that the lousy English involved in the title of that song is only the first of many things that raise my hackles.  Since they're not English related, though, I'll leave it at that.

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Re: English thread
« Reply #2 on: July 20, 2007, 03:59:09 am »
God dammed English, them and there stupid tea!

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Re: English thread
« Reply #3 on: July 20, 2007, 05:48:08 am »
The Way I are, sure peeved me off. But I express my rage ususally at songs like 4ever. And Nothing Compares 2 U and 4 Da Fame. God help us all.

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Re: English thread
« Reply #4 on: July 20, 2007, 08:28:59 am »
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Join the forums, it's free and it's fast.

Doesn't it have to be "Fora"? As plural of Forum. I always find it somehow strange when people say "Forums". Yet of course I can, and most likely will(does it have to be "- and most likely will -" ?), be wrong.
In german, I nearly never use Dashes or Semicolons, but many Commas(in german - by the way - it would be Kommata as plural of Komma [=comma]).

Why can't you say "Join the forums, it's free and it's fast."? I mean, wouldn't it be something like "Join..., because it is...", a causal subordinate clause?


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Re: English thread
« Reply #5 on: July 20, 2007, 09:01:30 am »
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Doesn't it have to be "Fora"? As plural of Forum. I always find it somehow strange when people say "Forums". Yet of course I can, and most likely will(does it have to be "- and most likely will -" ?), be wrong.
In german, I nearly never use Dashes or Semicolons, but many Commas(in german - by the way - it would be Kommata as plural of Komma [=comma]).

Why can't you say "Join the forums, it's free and it's fast."? I mean, wouldn't it be something like "Join..., because it is...", a causal subordinate clause?



English grammar is really anal about punctuation; however, pluralization isn't very formalized because of all the forced variations due to loan words.

Also, "Forums" is probably more widely used, if only because "fora" has another more common usage (which still isn't all that common...), and English tends to stay away from context-sensitive homophones -- especially when they are spelled exactly the same.

However, we usually use nouns to set up context and continue with heavy pronoun usage, so even if English doesn't have as many context-sensitive words as say, Korean, you still can't just walk into a conversation not knowing the context. Otherwise, you won't know what "he, she, they, or it" is, or even what they're doing. (Whereas, in Korean, you simply wouldn't know which meaning of the words is being used).

But that's just some initial, and very light analysis based merely on some personal experience, so take it with a grain of salt.

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Re: English thread
« Reply #6 on: July 20, 2007, 12:36:06 pm »
Doesn't it have to be "Fora"? As plural of Forum. I always find it somehow strange when people say "Forums". Yet of course I can, and most likely will(does it have to be "- and most likely will -" ?), be wrong.
In german, I nearly never use Dashes or Semicolons, but many Commas(in german - by the way - it would be Kommata as plural of Komma [=comma]).

Since the word "forums" is so common, many dictionaries list it as correct.  The proper plural of forum is fora, but I think Latin pluralizations seem to be dying in the English language.  It doesn't seem to be as much of a problem for -us words, though.  Most people still pluralize cactus and octopus as cacti and octopi.

Hey Ramsus, what other usage is there for "fora"?  I was unfamiliar with any other meanings for it.

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Re: English thread
« Reply #7 on: July 20, 2007, 12:39:33 pm »
The Way I are, sure peeved me off. But I express my rage ususally at songs like 4ever. And Nothing Compares 2 U and 4 Da Fame. God help us all.

I'll grant you, that sort of nonsense is far worse.  My example of The Way I Are just happened to be contextual for me at the time, and then this thread came up.  I had to seize the opportunity to vent.

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Re: English thread
« Reply #8 on: July 20, 2007, 01:54:03 pm »
i hate bad english, ironicly i have both bad spelling and bad grammer dam dyslectia <--- see what i mean :C

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Re: English thread
« Reply #9 on: July 20, 2007, 03:08:10 pm »
I am sick and tired of seeing this ad all over the internet and my Gmail:

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Coffee Exposed
A shocking secret coffee co's don't want you to know.



Apparently, whatever ace marketing dumbass concocted this skippy little quote forgot that pluralizing an acronym does not mean injecting an apostrophe.

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Re: English thread
« Reply #10 on: July 20, 2007, 03:10:32 pm »
TITS or GTFO!.

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Re: English thread
« Reply #11 on: July 20, 2007, 03:27:13 pm »
I hate the words tits. It's so insulting and degrading in my mind...I will never use it, nor "tittie" or any other version of the word. It disgusts me, and it offends me.

(No, smartasses, titular is not a variation of this word, and yes, I will use titular if I feel the need.)

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Re: English thread
« Reply #12 on: July 20, 2007, 04:43:08 pm »
I hate the lack of semi-colons. I use them a lot.

I also hate texting, as I almost always expect some hideous "tb2u soon" crap in reply.

GTFO!.

I love "GTFO!", probably because I've only seen it in really humorous threads. "GTFO MY INTERNETS" cracks me up, for some reason.

Oooh, I just remembered, I hate, hate, HATE, when people don't use capitals, especially when referring to someone or something's name. It looks disrespectful and insignificant when they do that.

I hate when people don't use commas and their sentence is basically impossible to interpret from that. You can't determine the pace of their sentence without commas in the necessary places.

I'm very picky (and somewhat paranoid) about grammar.

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Re: English thread
« Reply #13 on: July 20, 2007, 08:56:17 pm »
Doesn't it have to be "Fora"? As plural of Forum. I always find it somehow strange when people say "Forums". Yet of course I can, and most likely will(does it have to be "- and most likely will -" ?), be wrong.
In german, I nearly never use Dashes or Semicolons, but many Commas(in german - by the way - it would be Kommata as plural of Komma [=comma]).

Since the word "forums" is so common, many dictionaries list it as correct.  The proper plural of forum is fora, but I think Latin pluralizations seem to be dying in the English language.  It doesn't seem to be as much of a problem for -us words, though.  Most people still pluralize cactus and octopus as cacti and octopi.

Hey Ramsus, what other usage is there for "fora"?  I was unfamiliar with any other meanings for it.

Oh wait, there isn't one.

Sorry if I confused anyone. I study and practice Korean at least 40-60 hours a week, and after about eight months of that my English has become really mixed up.

Like this kay I nun English ro yet do surprising kay not use.

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Re: English thread
« Reply #14 on: July 20, 2007, 09:45:21 pm »
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Join the forums, it's free and it's fast.

Doesn't it have to be "Fora"? As plural of Forum. I always find it somehow strange when people say "Forums". Yet of course I can, and most likely will(does it have to be "- and most likely will -" ?), be wrong.
In german, I nearly never use Dashes or Semicolons, but many Commas(in german - by the way - it would be Kommata as plural of Komma [=comma]).

Why can't you say "Join the forums, it's free and it's fast."? I mean, wouldn't it be something like "Join..., because it is...", a causal subordinate clause?



It's because we use English forms of words which, invariably, fossilize the nominative singular and add our own distinct declensions where pertinent (Latin would do this to foreign words as well, usually relegating them to third declension order.) The reason you don't say Fora is the same reason most of us don't say Akhilleus for Achilles. The exceptions are few. One is, for example, the plural of a word ending in s, such as Ajax (Aias). What then will you say, Ajax's (yes, there were two for those who haven't read the Iliad)? Better just go Aiantes. Same with Cyclops to Cyclopes, which follows the third declension plural that the Greek Kuklop- root does. What does, however, get me extremely annoyed in this, is the few people who try and be pedantic in their use of Latin and use the plural of Formula, ie. Formulae. Invariably they pronounce it 'For-mule-ay', which is wrong unless you're speaking Church-type Latin. If you're going to be like that about things, at the very least don't sound like a fool to those that have actually studied the language, and say it 'For-mule-ai'. But best suggestion is always go with the Anglisized form of words, which in this case is simply adding an 's' for a plural. Forumlas, or Forums, and so on.

On some very rare words, though, you end up using not the nominative in English, but the root itself. For example, 'adamant', which in fact is declined 'adamas/adamantos/adamanti/adamanta' (Nom, Gen, Dat, Acc); adamant- is the root, and we get the word from it, rather than adamas. A curious one is the Greek for giant, which comes to us in BOTH. If we speak using the nominative form we get 'gigas.' But if we take the genative 'gigantos' and remove the ending, we end up with the root 'giant', which we use most often.

An interesting other tangent is what the following poster said regarding octopus/octopi. The irony is that in those words, which are masculine (as opposed to the feminine formula/formulae and neuter forum/fora) and the i is retained, people still mispronounce, speaking the 'i' as the 'ae' in 'formulae' should properly be pronounced. The 'i' in Octopi should not be 'ok-toe-pie' but 'oc-toe-pee'.

Anyway, basically the words must change for the language that adapts them, because more often then not it will sound strange to ears that are not trained in the language.

By the way, if anyone has any Latin questions, feel free to ask. I've done an entire year of the stuff, which might not seem like a lot, but I've done Greek as well for longer yet, and that gives me some understanding of that Latin which I might not yet have learned.

The thing actually is, there are other usages for 'fora'. I figured there might be (it being such a short word) and when I looked it up, sure enough. It could be an imperative from the verb foro, meaning 'I pierce' (thus being a comman like 'pierce!').

Oh, my, all this Latin. Isn't this an English thread?