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Re: The $%*! frustration thread
« Reply #6015 on: July 10, 2011, 03:33:54 pm »
Truly sorry.  Don't know what else to say.

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Re: The $%*! frustration thread
« Reply #6016 on: July 10, 2011, 05:05:00 pm »
Truly sorry.  Don't know what else to say.
Neither do I.  :( But I still remember my oath to make this world a better place. My code beckons me to keep to the path of righteousness and passive-aggressiveness, but my anger demands to put the corrupt to justice, even if it means to become a vigilante and risking my own future.

What's worse? There's no Samaritan law. If you're ever walking along the road in India and you find a headless body, seeing that everyone seems to pass by as if nothing happened, don't call the cops or anybody to inform them about it, even if the body belongs to a schoolboy who's mother is probably worried sick at home. Chances are the cops will arrive, register you as a prime suspect and close the case, thereby ruining your life unless you pay them a hefty bribe. There are two reasons for this:
1) They don't want to miss Cricket on TV
2) Their heart is where money is in. You've got money, they treat you like a saint no matter who you murdered.
3) They can easily mislead the media into thinking that their investigation was thorough even if it wasn't. Yes, their antics is left unchecked.
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Re: The $%*! frustration thread
« Reply #6017 on: July 10, 2011, 06:49:45 pm »
Crap, that's really unbelievable. tushantin, is there any investigative journalism into this kind of thing going on within the Indian press? We needed some good old-fashioned muckraking in the US to get people fired up about really blatant corruption back in the day. Some would probably argue we need more of it today.

Now, if you see the problem as more generally cultural (can the people of India get fired up over this sort of thing?), then you can take some pride in the role art must have to play in turning this around over time, IMO.

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Re: The $%*! frustration thread
« Reply #6018 on: July 10, 2011, 09:54:03 pm »
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Okay, I know the scale of corruption here, and I wouldn't be surprised if the cops demanded bribes from criminals, stations and even us lowly shopkeepers and Cyber Cafe owners, but... placing monetary demands in front of a dead guy's family?!
Hmm, true. It stinks when they claim the nation is ruled by law while there are dark corners where law doesn't shine.
And nothing is worse than those who we must rely on are not trustworthy at all.

I recall some local news about a young man raided a police station and killed several policemen. It seemed to be a simple murder case, but actually many (if not most of) people sympathized with the murderer. And even a guy who reported the news on a forum showed his excitement before he knew one of the victims was actually the father of his colleague. Sounds like a satire? But that is true.

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Re: The $%*! frustration thread
« Reply #6019 on: July 11, 2011, 01:27:20 am »
Alone in a hotel room in Santa Fe towards the beautiful part of the city, I wake up at 3 AM to hear what sounds like two Texan tourists filming a porno either above me or a room nearby. My god, did those sound like some fake orgasmic screams. Even more hilarious was the timing: the guy seemed to orgasm 3 times within 20 minutes (?) with stops and starts. Even more bizarre, the girl started moaning again 20 minutes after the last comedic orgasm (after which ensued silence, and I nearly fell back asleep). But it was only 3-4 moans.

I DON'T UNDERSTAND

Excuse to use this again:

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Re: The $%*! frustration thread
« Reply #6020 on: July 11, 2011, 04:34:34 am »
It'd be hilarious if it turns out they were just filming a commercial for a new shampoo or something.

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Re: The $%*! frustration thread
« Reply #6021 on: July 11, 2011, 06:40:09 am »
Tush, your story sounds just like events that have happened to my family and friends of my family back in the Philippines.  The Philippines is one of the most corrupt countries in the entire world and it seems like India is as well.  I'm so sorry about Krishna and the awful things his family is going through.  :(

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Re: The $%*! frustration thread
« Reply #6022 on: July 11, 2011, 07:47:14 am »
Crap, that's really unbelievable. tushantin, is there any investigative journalism into this kind of thing going on within the Indian press? We needed some good old-fashioned muckraking in the US to get people fired up about really blatant corruption back in the day. Some would probably argue we need more of it today.

Now, if you see the problem as more generally cultural (can the people of India get fired up over this sort of thing?), then you can take some pride in the role art must have to play in turning this around over time, IMO.
Yes! The people of India can get fired up over this sort of thing! But even so, they would not be able to do anything. See, the whole point with public silence is that if you point a finger you may as well await the apocalypse, as whoever you're pointing at would also retaliate with every power they have. You have to take it in the behind but you're not supposed to squeal. Suppose you published an honest article in papers about some corrupt cops, whether or not you have any evidence to prove them, and manage to get the public excited while you're content feeling you're safe and anonymous. But you're not safe, and they'll never stay quite. They will find you. They will hunt you down, gag you, and arrest you under false charges, say, drug smuggling. They will torture you until you confess for crimes you did not commit, and keep this as a lesson for other smart asses.

In the USA it's pretty easy to protest and say shit about the government, even if you aren't an influential and powerful fellow. But here in India there is no value for free speech. Money matters more than life. Thus, since majority are family folks, they wouldn't dare opening their mouths and making enemies.

I was hoping I'd make a file of names and data of every corrupt official I come across, though, and once I have enough info I'd publish it anonymously. No evidence, however. I wouldn't provide any info that might endanger other innocent folks. I'm aiming for the public here, with the same political strategies used in the USA: scandal thrill, and invoking what people want to here. Implant a worm of paranoia without the need of evidences, keep half the things in the dark and watch the mayhem.

I recall some local news about a young man raided a police station and killed several policemen. It seemed to be a simple murder case, but actually many (if not most of) people sympathized with the murderer. And even a guy who reported the news on a forum showed his excitement before he knew one of the victims was actually the father of his colleague. Sounds like a satire? But that is true.

 :x
Ah, that depends. Why did they raid the house?

Tush, your story sounds just like events that have happened to my family and friends of my family back in the Philippines.  The Philippines is one of the most corrupt countries in the entire world and it seems like India is as well.  I'm so sorry about Krishna and the awful things his family is going through.  :(
Thank you... I may not be able to be able to do much about Philippines, but I promise that I will do my best to make things safer than before. It's amazing how some nations half-assedly give so much power to rural/urban police that goes unchecked. It's like we're living in a computer circuit, while electricity is "power" of the police forces. It's essential, but too much of it that goes unchecked and unregulated would corrupt any electronic device.  



Then again I remember the Stanford Prison experiment. Then again I remember these quotes:
Quote from: Abraham Lincoln
Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power.

And I wonder. Would I become the same monster if I was in their place? Sure, everyone would say that they wouldn't and that they respect justice, but the Stanford Experiment did prove otherwise. Which is why I doubt, even myself. Would at least I really turn into that very monster with that kind of power over other people?
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Re: The $%*! frustration thread
« Reply #6023 on: July 11, 2011, 04:59:22 pm »
That's an excellent question, tushantin. I think you'd be highly inspired by reading The Lucifer Effect, written by the very guy who conducted the Standord Prison Experiment (and fell into his own trap, as it were). It's always fun to call others monsters, but our own capacity for evil may be greater than we realize. It all goes back to basic empathy IMO, and being able to keep it at the forefront of our minds in new situations.

The Stanford Prison Experiment proves to me why art, and moreover, storytelling, can be powerful: if done well, art simulates real experience and gives us a stick by which to measure our own actions. You can always point out human misdeeds in a cautionary tale, and if the art resonates with the consumer, the consumer may be less likely to go out and repeat the evil at least. That sort of thing can produce change over time.

That's how I figure it'd work in a vacuum, anyway. The trick is probably at that "if it resonates with the consumer" stage.

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Re: The $%*! frustration thread
« Reply #6024 on: July 11, 2011, 06:16:38 pm »
I hate goddamn proprietary software. There isn't a single bookstore within a comfortable driving distance, so I like buying books for my Sony Reader. But goddamn Amazon doesn't want to sell me their books unless I have their Kindle. UGHUGUHGH :evil:

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Re: The $%*! frustration thread
« Reply #6025 on: July 12, 2011, 07:46:10 am »
@FaustWolf: Thanks for referring the book! It'd be great for study. And indeed, it is amazing how a writer/artist can influence society for generations (the writer of Upanishads has managed to forward ethics for thousands of years). This really proves that a pen is indeed mightier than a sword.

I say, turn the Compendium into a Chrono Bible! :D For our savior Sir Crono died for our sins! (Okay, I'm joking)

I hate goddamn proprietary software.
Me too.

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 :o Because I can't afford them, not because I'm a freeloader!

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Re: The $%*! frustration thread
« Reply #6026 on: July 12, 2011, 04:14:24 pm »
Fucked up my back.



Fuck.




Should be fine by the end of the week.  Still scary as all hell.

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Re: The $%*! frustration thread
« Reply #6027 on: July 12, 2011, 10:35:32 pm »
=( Get better soon, Shee.

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Re: The $%*! frustration thread
« Reply #6028 on: July 13, 2011, 12:53:56 am »
Fucked up my back.



Fuck.




Should be fine by the end of the week.  Still scary as all hell.

I was there last month. Sat in a long car trip in a seat not built for 6'7" people. Spent the next week mostly in bed, as my lower back muscles were completely exhausted and I had sciatica down my right leg for a couple days. The week after was taken very slowly.

It's at least reassuring that 90% of the time, a back ache (for us younguns) is just something that's been overstressed and will get better with time. Hope it's that going on. Good luck.

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Re: The $%*! frustration thread
« Reply #6029 on: July 13, 2011, 12:55:02 am »
Don't complain about not having money and then go out and get a full sleeve tattoo the next week.  Just sayin'.