The $%*! frustration thread

[Kodokami]

In game art:


Official art:



The owl... Where did it come from...?
WHY IS IT NOT IN THE GAME???

[utunnels]

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Edit*

Oh, saw it.


Edit 2*

Something from Final Fantasy IX may explain your * Burp* question.

Bryan Rootrunner: "Sis! Ah'm hungert!"

 Darcy Skywatcher: "But ye just ate a boiled owl, did ye no?"

 Bryan Rootrunner: "Ah did, but it didnae satisfy me voracious
                   appetite! Ah have tae eat somethin' wi' more
                   punch, likesay... Eh?"

[Kodokami]

Images gone again?

Bryan Rootrunner: "Sis! Ah'm hungert!"

 Darcy Skywatcher: "But ye just ate a boiled owl, did ye no?"

 Bryan Rootrunner: "Ah did, but it didnae satisfy me voracious
                   appetite! Ah have tae eat somethin' wi' more
                   punch, likesay... Eh?"

Noooo! Not the owl!
It's so cool that Kiel was supposed to have a pet owl though. Should have been in Radiant Historia.

[tushantin]

I can't seem to understand or visualize what the word "premise" means; DESPITE HAVING A DICTIONARY!

 

[FaustWolf]

I can't seem to understand or visualize what the word "premise" means; DESPITE HAVING A DICTIONARY!

That's no wonder, because the dictionary definitions seem confusing IMO. Now that I look at it some more, I may have been using it wrong all this time too! It looks like a premise is officially an argument made in support of a conclusion.

That's quite a bit different from the way I've been using it. I always thought of "premise" as related to the term "high concept" -- distill a piece of media into its essence and that is the "premise." For example, I would have thought the premise of the movie Snape's on a Plane is "Severus Snape gets on a plane and causes havoc with magic." The closer the premise is to the title, the more high concept it is. That's the way I've always thought of it anyway.

[Thought]

Don't worry, Faust, you're near enough the right of it. You are just looking at the matter more abstractly than the dictionary is.

A premise is just that which was said before. However, we've come to usually take it as being specifically "that which was said first." What was probably the first important thing that was said during the development of Snapes on a Plane? "What if Severus Snape got on a plane and caused havoc with magic?" That's your high concept, and that is also the starting point.

Look at a standard 5 paragraph essay. The last paragraph should be the conclusion. The premise of paragraph 5, then, is paragraph 1-4 (since, in comparison, those paragraphs all came first). But that is different than the premise of the essay itself (which is in paragraph 1, the thesis statement [more or less]).

Tush, it might be useful to think of the original Latin. "Premise" is derived from the word "mittere." The word "missive" is derived from the same. A missive is a letter, a recording of your thoughts. A "pre-missive" is a letter before that, recording what you thought before.

Thus a "mise" is what you are saying now, with a "premise" being what you said before. Does that help?

[Sajainta]

I'm not going to lie, if I had no idea what the word "premise" meant I would be even more confused after reading both of your responses!

[Thought]

Ah, sorry. But I guess if I can't be productive, then being counterproductive is better than being unproductive. Or something like that.

[Sajainta]

Your (initial) reply sounded so much like something my father would say that I burst your laughing.  He is always going on about the Latin or Greek root of a word to try and explain its meaning, or just because he wants to talk about Latin or Ancient Greek in the first place.  XD

[Mr Bekkler]

For what you're (probably) doing, tush, premise means "the basic idea" or "gist".

For example, the above sentence is the premise of the word premise.  

The pronunciation is weird too, it's like "PREH - miss" (not "preem eyes").

[chi_z]

primiss

[Sajainta]

I majored in English, I have a fairly large vocabulary, I am a voracious reader, I constantly write, I know when to use "whom" and when to use semi-colons, but I still don't know how to use the word "nuance" properly.  D:  I know what it means, I just don't know how to use it in a sentence.  Annoyance!

[Thought]

So, in essence the nuances of "nuance" escape you?

[Sajainta]

So, in essence the nuances of "nuance" escape you?

Pretty much!  =(

I also had to ask someone yesterday what "lucrative" meant.  I feel silly.

[tushantin]

I also had to ask someone yesterday what "lucrative" meant.  I feel silly.

Where does the circle begin?
I'll tell you, I've seen it, I've been!
It is born in the sound of the voice of the ground
and the moon and the stars
and the sky that is ours
and the compulsion to ask!

Ah, sorry. But I guess if I can't be productive, then being counterproductive is better than being unproductive. Or something like that.

Haha, exactly my thoughts!

Thing about Premises these days is that I was under the assumption I could create a fantastic tale that can follow the basic idea. Everyone knows how I suck at elaborating what I mean, but I always thought I could explain it as a story -- unfortunately, I can't seem to do that either (poetry is a lot simpler than that, but most people don't get poetry). When writing my novel, the basic premise or concept keeps morphing at the face of adversarial philosophies and sciences, resulting in my rewriting of the story (you've no idea how many times my first story has changed and evolved, so much now that it has become a genre called "Epic" from the previous "Thriller").

I can't seem to finish my book.