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Daeth

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« on: December 07, 2003, 03:53:11 am »
I managed to get hold of the Anime opening for the PSX version of Chrono Trigger. One part shows Frog kneeling in front of a tomb, before he picks up his sword, turns and walks away. Perhaps this is Cyrus' grave...

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« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2003, 04:42:22 am »
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I managed to get hold of the Anime opening for the PSX version of Chrono Trigger. One part shows Frog kneeling in front of a tomb, before he picks up his sword, turns and walks away. Perhaps this is Cyrus' grave...
Actually, it IS Cyrus' grace... o_O

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« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2003, 07:38:02 am »
Yes, so the point is that Frog should have been the one who buried Cyrus, since he knows the grave is there.

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« Reply #3 on: December 08, 2003, 03:34:51 pm »
First off, we can't take all of Toriyama's cutscene's as complete fact towards the storyline of CT, but also, if I remember right, the anime opening you are talking of show's lots of scene's scattered throughout CT.  So this time with Frog kneeling in front of Cyrus's grave could just as easily have been the time when Frog came there and the Masamune is powered up.  I haven't seen the cutscene in a long time, but is the sword frog has with him the masamune?  If it is, then this definitely isn't the time when Cyrus was first buried.

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« Reply #4 on: December 08, 2003, 05:17:54 pm »
If I ever get FFC ripped on my computer again, I'll check. We should look for similarities between the sword seen in the fall of Guardia cutscene and the one mentioned by JustinS1985.

Can't believe I haven't brought this up before, but would the changes in Frog's body also result in his seed becoming that of a frog's? I forget what original impact this would have on anything, but it might be an interesting factoid.

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« Reply #5 on: December 08, 2003, 05:39:29 pm »
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If I ever get FFC ripped on my computer again, I'll check. We should look for similarities between the sword seen in the fall of Guardia cutscene and the one mentioned by JustinS1985.

Can't believe I haven't brought this up before, but would the changes in Frog's body also result in his seed becoming that of a frog's? I forget what original impact this would have on anything, but it might be an interesting factoid.


The semi-joke ending you get if you beat Lavos immediately after saving the Queen (you must do it between when Lucca leaves you at the fair and when you take Marle to Guardia Castle, so you only have Crono and Marle) seems to suggest this...

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« Reply #6 on: June 22, 2004, 12:22:47 am »
I don't think Frog knew that Cyrus was buried where he was.  After falling off the mountain I don't think he would climb back up in his new frog form and risk another Magus attack just for Cyrus's body(Not that he wouldn't if he could).  Also, If frog did go back up that mountain he might have thought for half a second to grab the other half of the Masamune.  The nasty remark on the grave just furthers the possiblity that Frog nor Gaurdia had anything to do with his burial.  Plus the fact that there are mystic monsters in the building itself stoping the repair.  I bet before the war was won by Guardia, the mystics controled this island and buried Cyrus in the bottom of a building with not so happy remarks on the grave as a moral booster.

I would also like to note that some translations from the original Jap. game make it sound like Cyrus was holding the masamune and that Glenn wanted to use it but Cyrus wouldn't let him(Or maybe Glenn held it and Cyrus was telling him to wait.  This would explain why he still has part of the Masamune).  A line that Magus says when you fight him in his castle says something to the effect of "You have the Masamune.... Maybe this time the others will allow you to use it properly."

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« Reply #7 on: June 22, 2004, 07:35:05 am »
It doesn't say that the monsters are mystics...I always saw them more as being ghosts (like Cyrus himself). Most of them seem to be spirits or skeletons, not mystics...

After Frog falls off the cliff, I think that it's easy to assume that a period of time passed. Glenn wakes up and finds the Hero Medal. Why not go back up the mountain for Cyrus' bones? Sounds like a fairly rational thing to do. I don't think Magus stuck around...As a matter of fact, I don't even understand why he was there...Were they all looking for the Masamune? Was Magus protecting it? Either way, perhaps Glenn simply couldn't find the other half of the Masamune...

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« Reply #8 on: June 22, 2004, 02:51:31 pm »
The hero metal fell down with frog and floated in the river at the bottom of the mountain in the flashback.  He also never got it back.  Tata has it.  I also think that if Frog went back up to the top of the mountain he would have seen the Masamune as it is sticking straight up out of the ground in the cave(Still Possible though).  If Frog did go back for the bones at a later date, who wrote the nasty remark on the grave is the next question to figure out.

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« Reply #9 on: June 22, 2004, 04:42:55 pm »
Frog may have gone in to hiding almost immediatly after his transformation, so as to hide his identity. It's also possible he merely gathered the corpse, carried them to the town outside the mansion where Cyrus is burried, and deposited them with the mayor or some other public official, then disapeared back into the night. I'm sure he didn't want to stay in one (populated) place for too long.

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« Reply #10 on: June 22, 2004, 05:46:13 pm »
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I'm sure he didn't want to stay in one (populated) place for too long.


Frog was in service to the Queen for a fair amount of time after his transformation.  He was the talk of Guardia Castle.

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« Reply #11 on: June 22, 2004, 07:11:57 pm »
It seems like some people haven't read the rest of the thread or something...

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The hero metal fell down with frog and floated in the river at the bottom of the mountain in the flashback. He also never got it back. Tata has it. I also think that if Frog went back up to the top of the mountain he would have seen the Masamune as it is sticking straight up out of the ground in the cave(Still Possible though). If Frog did go back for the bones at a later date, who wrote the nasty remark on the grave is the next question to figure out.


Uh-HEM...Frog DOES get the medal back. Tata tells you that he gave it too him. The hero medal came down after Frog, that's how come he's already down there before it comes, not to mention his blinking as if coming back from a black out perhaps.

The Masamune scattered after it was destroyed, or else we would have seen it somewhere around the fight as it was happening. Not to mention that the Masamune appears in a whole different place (inside the cave) when you find it in 600A.D.

As I've already mentioned in this thread, I believe Frog himself wrote Cyrus' tombstone. At that moment in the story, Frog would be feeling incredibly guilty and at his utmost self-loathing. I think this self-loathing transfers onto Cyrus. He sees him as a fool for what he did at that time. It's similar to how Magus sees Crono after the Ocean Palace disaster with Lavos.

[quote"Radical_Dreamer"]It's also possible he merely gathered the corpse, carried them to the town outside the mansion where Cyrus is burried, and deposited them with the mayor or some other public official, then disapeared back into the night.[/quote]

Then how would you explain the NPC "monster" quote saying that some wierd creature was bringing it up there?

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« Reply #12 on: June 22, 2004, 08:10:45 pm »
Very well, that suggests (quite solidly) that Frog himself burried Cyrus. Thanks for the reminder.

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« Reply #13 on: June 22, 2004, 11:57:39 pm »
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If I ever get FFC ripped on my computer again, I'll check. We should look for similarities between the sword seen in the fall of Guardia cutscene and the one mentioned by JustinS1985.


There is a difference between the Masamune in the "The Masamune!" cutscene (the one where Frog opens the Magic Cave) and the Masamune during the cutscene at the beginning of FFC CT where Frog is at Cyrus' grave.  In the former, the hilt and the piece between it and the actual blade (don't know if that's part of the hilt or not, sorry) is pretty plain, but in the latter (and the "Life Skips a Beat" cutscene) it's more sophisticated and appears to have a green jewel set in.

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« Reply #14 on: June 23, 2004, 12:01:31 am »
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If I ever get FFC ripped on my computer again, I'll check. We should look for similarities between the sword seen in the fall of Guardia cutscene and the one mentioned by JustinS1985.


There is a difference between the Masamune in the "The Masamune!" cutscene (the one where Frog opens the Magic Cave) and the Masamune during the cutscene at the beginning of FFC CT where Frog is at Cyrus' grave.  In the former, the hilt and the piece between it and the actual blade (don't know if that's part of the hilt or not, sorry) is pretty plain, but in the latter (and the "Life Skips a Beat" cutscene) it's more sophisticated and appears to have a green jewel set in.

As for the writing on Cyrus' gravestone about being a fool...I always thought that was something put in by Cyrus' ghost himself (kind of like how Garai etches your party members' names into his gravestone in CC), since it changed after Frog "made peace" with Cyrus and if I remember correctly, you never see anyone change it after the Masamune's been powered up.