Crono Foreshadowing

[ZeaLitY]

Lies. With that logic, it didn't deserve the name Chrono Trigger 2. But there's no question it takes place in the Chrono universe and is a result of Trigger's plot.

[Zaperking]

Well, because Crono and co go back in time, and back into the future, history is changed.

We don't know exactly what happened the second time around. After Crono and co got teleported out, nobody knows.
That quote about "Melchior and Janus being warped into a gate" doesn't say when or where. It just says it happened.
The most likely probability is that it happened historically at the same time as it did in the original time line, so sometime later after Lavos awoke. All 3 Guru's could have been heading back there, and caught up to Janus, that was when he told Belthasar, or Belthasar knew himself from the black wind, even if he was on the continent or something.

The whole thing is very vague and problematic.
But then again, from Belthasar's perspective, it might also be that it's not that he knew Crono would die, but he simply calculated the chances that a hero would one day time travel, and try and go back to 12,000BC, and should one of them die, there is a back up plan, just like how Belthasar knew that time travellers would one day come and need his Wings of Time.

[V_Translanka]

Yeah, saying that either CC or RD don't deserve to be Chrono games or w/e is stupid...Just because CC doesn't develop it's cast of characters like CT did doesn't make it that different. And really, that's not what they did. What they did was take the NPCs and make them Playables. In CT there were plenty of NPCs without much character development.

[alpha]

said nothing bad about radical dreamers. what I said was that CC did not earn the chrono title. perhaps radical dreamers two or just left at radical dreamers being a remake/sequal. I absolutly love CC its one of my favorite games but the name doesnt work..

two reasons for the original games name
1. TIME TRAVEL=changing the chronology of the current universe
2. Title character and major plot point

reasons why CC was given the chrono title
1. To attract CT fans
2. to attract Ct fans
3. cause the called serge the chrono trigger which wa s reference only made in teh attempt to link the games together and The precedence set up in CT in no way makes room for serge to be called the chrono trigger. Arbiter would have worked.. but not trigger.

[ZeaLitY]

The Chrono series is a franchise. No matter why Trigger was called Chrono Trigger, the name carries because it's the same world with the same themes.

[alpha]

sigh.... I know that I just personally dont think the game should have carried the title. for instance see radical dreamers did not carry the chrono title

[V_Translanka]

Yeah, but Radical Dreamers was released for Satellaview...>_> Plus, it was quite a departure itself from Chrono Trigger...And takes place in an alternate dimension.

And Chrono Cross incorporates much more than a quasi-remake of RD. It directly stems from the events of Chrono Trigger! Plus, there IS some minor time traveling involved...^_^

[Zedsreturn]

Well I believe that Belthasar was a little crazy from the isolation and believes that Crono is actually Schala.
OLD MAN: Schala...I've missed you so...

OLD MAN: ......

OLD MAN: NO!

   You MUST NOT climb Death Peak!

   Wouldn't make it very far, anyway!
   It has to be the right time...
   ...and...THEY...have to show you the
   way!

(Not sure if thats the quote that your talking about.) So Belthasar could have merely been saying that it wasnt time for Schala to climb death peak, as using the time egg would allow Schala to possibly teleport the others to safety, or defeat Lavos somehow, since originally Crono didnt die, so the time egg, and the climbing of the Death Peak woul otherwise be useless.

[Biccy]

I don't get whypeople always interpret the line that way... He's talking about how he misses Schala, then warns Crono and them not to climb Death Mountain (Shush, I'm a Zelda fan >>). The Japanese line was much clearer anyway.

[maggiekarp]

He's like the old man in RD. Clearly some stuff was left out of the script, and I don't really think it's as deep as you guys are making it. I'll paraphrase and fill in the blanks a bit.

Belthy: Schala? Dang it has been a while!
Party: WTF crazy man
Belthy: ......
Crono: Hey wrinkle-ass, can you tell me about this mountain you're under here?
Belthy: Oh dogg you do not want to mess with that mountain. Bad shit. Well, not like you'd get far anyway, windy as hell. See my inventions? Boy howdy is science awesome. NOW GET OFFA MY LAWN YOU BASTARD KIDS!


At least that's what I'm going with. They seemed a little bit apprehensive about giving them the Trigger, too... But that's fanfic territory.

[Zedsreturn]

Well im not sure about the whole going to death peak thing, but since the Epoch was originally meant for Belthasar to go back to Zeal, its likely that the time egg was also made to possibly save it from its destruction, unless that changed in the retranslation as well.

[Loki Fenrisulf]

About why Death Peak, remember that the mountain didin't exist at ay other time, and that the Ocean Palace was a floating one... Do you get my idea?
Then I'll translate: the Time Egg moved them in time, but not in space. That place in the Death Peak was probably the exactly same place that the room of the castle was at that time.

As to why he created the Chrono Trigger... It was an incomplete one. With a complete one, he probably would be able to go back to Zeal and avoid the awakening of Lavos (by pretending to be a prophet like Magus did, maybe?).

[Chrono'99]

Belthasar foreshadows that the party will have to climb Death Peak in 2300 A.D. Yet, how does Belthasar know he's going to die at the Ocean Palace?

Normally, I'd consider this some kind of huge oversight, like the fact that Yuji Horii wrote the concept of the Time Egg long before Masato Kato actually made 12000 B.C.

Anyway, the use of the Time Egg servers no other purpose than to revive Crono. It's tenuous as a result to ascribe this to the Entity's planning or Belthasar's awareness of its actions. What do you think?

It's been some time since I made an analysis forum thread. I am going to bring the hammer down on any fluffy, stupid posts. You know those two threads, "Why Crono?" and "Did Crono die when Porre attacked"? Yeah. 20 pages of absolute nothing. Let's try not to emulate that.

I don't think the Time Egg's purpose is to revive Crono specifically. Gaspar was trying to create one since years before 12,000 B.C. according to the Japanese script:

[Young Woman]
   It's said that the Philosopher of Time Hasch-sama
   is quietly continuing to research time on a small
   island somewhere.

   He's making a "Time Egg", or something......
   However, it has been many years now since
   anyone has seen him......

Could Gaspar really have foreshadowed Crono's death, even though it wouldn't happen until years later in normal time and something like two Keystone timelines later in Time Error? It's unlikely in my opinion, even though I guess it could be remotely possible. If it's the case, maybe the Gurus didn't really foreshadow Crono's death themselves but were made aware of it by the Entity? Either thanks to their magic powers somehow giving them a special contact with the planet's will (would be utterly convenient for Project Kid...), or thanks to some Nus being talkative for once and giving them the message.

A possibility which I think may be more likely is that Belthasar was simply not thinking about Crono nor any other hero of time. Here's Kwhazit's notes about Belthasar's Japanese lines:

In the NA version, Belthasar warns that the party cannot climb Death Peak until the time is right and the Poyozos show them the way. In the JP version, Belthasar told them that unless they were those "people" (the heroes), they could not climb the mountain -- at least not in its present state, meaning Belthasar was probably still preparing the Poyozo dolls.

Belthasar was apparently stopping the party from going to Death Peak not because Crono wasn't dead yet but because he simply hadn't finished making the dolls. Belthasar was hoping some time travelers carrying the Time Egg would find him (Belthasar). By creating the 3 Poyozo dolls and stuff, perhaps he was hoping these time travelers could revive... Schala?

[ZeaLitY]

That many years line has to be a dialogue inconsistency which Woolsey accidentally dodged. There's too much evidence that the Prophet arrived a few days before the Ocean Palace Incident, not several years.

perhaps he was hoping these time travelers could revive... Schala?

Ah...that's a magnificent possibility...

[Chrono'99]

Mmh, yeah, I forgot about the Prophet and assumed that Gaspar was making a Time Egg in the pre-Prophet timeline too (just for fun... er, scientific studies), but I guess it's not really important. Perhaps Gaspar doesn't often make public appearances so it's been "many years since anyone has seen him", while his actual hiding from the Prophet was more recent.

Anyway, I forgot to write something else (to be clear): I think the Time Egg was originally planned to revive Melchior or whoever could die trying to destroy the Mammon Machine with the Masamune. The Gurus didn't know that Schala would die. However, things went unexpectedly with the Ocean Palace incident, so Belthasar in the future decided it could revive Schala.