Further Character Discussion

[maggiekarp]

Just in case you missed a poll or weren't able to add anything to an opinion because of a closed poll, this thread's for you!


I'll add some unpopular opinions in a while, but for now, I'd like some other folks to post!

[V_Translanka]

I didn't get a chance to really do Grobyc, so I'll just post it in here then...



Character Design - Grobyc's design screams coolness & attitude (see the belts?!)...whether or not that's a good thing, is debatable...But I think overall it looks pretty cool...I wouldn't mind seeing why he wears that scarf/mask though...Is it just a speaker under there or something?

Combat Usefulness - He uses gloves too...how boring, but for a cyborg, I guess that makes enough sense. He's got a variation of Robo's Rocket Fist Tech, which is nice...though weird because in his version he just shoots his fist and magically has another one pop outta nowhere...Maybe they should have left the chain or something...His other Tech has him turn his hair into a giant LASER!!! That's pretty freakin sweet. And then his other one has him use a giant laser cannon arm, which is pretty cool, too, I guess.

Tilt Factor - There's some minor development about how he's an experiment of Luccia's brother who died or something, but it's easily overlooked (as most of the minor development for any of the characters is)...But basically, we don't know much, probably because there's just not much TO know...His name is Cyborg backwards and the fact that a lot of people didn't realize that was pretty cool. I also use him in Magness, but I just make him Luccia's brother...I should probably change that or something...>_>

Final Grade - C

[maggiekarp]

KID

(in b4 flames)

Character Design - Oh wow, a scrawny teenage blonde with exposed midriff and attitude? She just oozes originality! And other bizarre things, I'm sure. But really, I could stand Kid's outfit if it wasn't so much worse than it could have been. In RD her outfit was almost a palette-swap of Lucca's, and Kato's art for her had her dressed more modestly than Schala. Such an outfit doesn't really fit her CC incarnation, especially considering Magus wasn't around to make her tart down. It would have been awesome if they stuck with this


but they decided to give us this


Furthermore, she was extremely likable in RD, but CC actually rewards you if you choose to ignore her/completely screw her over. This game made me want to leave her ass, while RD made me genuinely sad everytime something bad happened to the girl. This may just be because Serge was more... talkative and openly fond of Kid in RD. They seem more like "decent friends" at best, here.

(Now, I'm comparing CC to RD a lot here, and I know they aren't the same game, but it says something pretty bad about a game as beautiful and well-selling as CC that it's not quite as good as its made-for-satellaview, text-based predecessor. Story and character development-wise, of course. That's almost like a direct-to-video sequel being better than a theatrical release.)



Combat Usefulness - I had her in my party every time she was available to me, thinking it would reflect in the story somehow, but it seemed the only times she was mentioned it was sickness or brainwashing. She wasn't too shabby.

Tilt - Seems like I hate the ever-loving crap out of this chica, don't it? THIS IS NOT REALLY THE CASE! After all the bad shit is said, she's a charming character, and I'd like to see more of her. She's a wonderful counterpart to the hopelessly tragic Schala, one of few not entirely mopey female main characters in the RPG world, and probably my third favorite character in the Chrono series after Magus and Marle, but CC really didn't do her justice. Also, her rating thread disgusted me. It was one big reminder of the "lalala I can't hear you Cross was the best game ever" and "HEY LET'S BE JERKS TO THE GUY WITH THE DIFFERENT OPINION" attitude that seems to be strangling this place. She gets a...


C


[edit] More to come, later!

[ZeaLitY]

But that happens in every thread Zaperking posts in. When he's not doing it here, he's in the analysis forums posting about how Schala is an interdimensional perfect goddess-being with consummate kindness and purity, or how Harle is a mythic princess or something, each capable of changing time as they see fit, each wonderful tragic round characters. Then he came and debased Kid for showing skin, as if it somehow soils Schala's perfection. I can't take fanboyism of female characters like that. It just makes me want to cry tears of disgust.

[nightmare975]

But that happens in every thread Zaperking posts in. When he's not doing it here, he's in the analysis forums posting about how Schala is an interdimensional perfect goddess-being with consummate kindness and purity, or how Harle is a mythic princess or something, each capable of changing time as they see fit

Sounds more like that ProjectR guy to me.

[maggiekarp]

Ahh... Should probably have lurked moar, then. But still, even after all his bashing, he gave her a B. Seems like a silly thing to reopen a thread over




As for skankitude sullying Schala, seems to me that the point of Kid was that she was so unlike Schala despite supposedly being a de-aged version. I really don't mind some skimpyness, especially in games, but I'm more concerned with the fact that she looks like a twig with implants, and the front of her skirt doesn't really exist.  But that's all opinion, heh.

 
The grade stands.

[Kyronea]

Ahh... Should probably have lurked moar, then. But still, even after all his bashing, he gave her a B. Seems like a silly thing to reopen a thread over

You can blame me for that one. I was just tired of Zaperking and his fallacious--in my eyes--view of the Chrono series. You should have seen him and me arguing for pages over whether a Planet could survive a Lavoid Attack.

As for skankitude sullying Schala, seems to me that the point of Kid was that she was so unlike Schala despite supposedly being a de-aged version. I really don't mind some skimpyness, especially in games, but I'm more concerned with the fact that she looks like a twig with implants, and the front of her skirt doesn't really exist.  But that's all opinion, heh.

Being a genetic clone of a person does not make them a full out and out copy unless they either have a copied set of that person's mind--which is probably not very easy to do since even a clone is going to have a slightly different brain structure due to deviations that occur during growth from environmental factors--or are raised in an identical manner to the original, and even there they can differ.

Kid is Kid. She is not Schala. She possess Schala's DNA, but beyond that, they are not the same person at all. Kid was raised in an entirely different manner.

Besides, I'm willing to bet you that Kid uses her appearance as a weapon just like everything else. She's a very crafty, devious person and will use any means necessary, including her appearance. It would fit her character to do that sort of thing.

[ZeaLitY]

Although I don't think Yuuki needed to draw nipples or a mons in his gift pieces to Kato, though.

[Kyronea]

Although I don't think Yuuki needed to draw nipples or a mons in his gift pieces to Kato, though.

No, it wasn't necessary, I'll agree with that.

[nightmare975]

Although I don't think Yuuki needed to draw nipples or a mons in his gift pieces to Kato, though.

Maybe Yuuki thought Kato was a lonely old man. A lonely, lonely old man.

[rushingwind]

Um...well, I missed the Glenn poll, so...




Design: Lovely design, even it if it is slightly based on Glenn of CT.  He's even got a cool battle scar.

Combat: I always used him as often as possible, being one of my favorite characters in the whole game.  One Einlanzer was nice, but two?  Wicked.  He could kick some unholy arse in battle.

Tilt: I think he's really cool, and have thought that since the first time I played the game.  In fact, on my very first playthrough, when I realized that I'd missed the opportunity to acquire him (because I chose to save Kid) I restarted the whole game again.  To me, he's the character that I always wanted to know more about, even though the game didn't provide a lot.  And then there is his awesome fortune that he receives in Termina:

[Fortune Teller]
   If I were to equate you
   to something, you would be
   the moon.

[Glenn:]
   Moon...?
   
 [Fortune Teller]
   Yes, the moon.
   The moon only shines when
   there is a sun to reflect.
   The moon does not glow with
   its own light...
   But remember this!
   The moon's light is a guidepost
   to those that search in
   the darkness of the night.
   A time will come when you will
   carry out such a role...
   Sometime in the near future.


In my opinion, easily the most awesome fortune EVER.

I can't help it, the guy is just my favorite character in the game.  I know I'm biased, but I give him an A.
Final Grade: A

[ZeaLitY]

We should pick an arbitrary cut-off number for Cross's optimal party size, like 10, and note it in the feature (all characters below the threshold are better off as NPCs). Or, we could host another poll where users have to vote "yes" or "no" on all characters concerning whether they should be playable.

[dankun]

We should pick an arbitrary cut-off number for Cross's optimal party size, like 10, and note it in the feature (all characters below the threshold are better off as NPCs). Or, we could host another poll where users have to vote "yes" or "no" on all characters concerning whether they should be playable.

What would be the point of doing that? I really fail to see any real value in it, other than the fact that it would make a statement to Cross bashers everywhere that this site endorses that sort of opinion towards the game. Honestly, I thought that this site was supposed to be unbiased towards any of the games tha make up the Chrono Series.
Doing that sort of thing, even the polls about everyone voting wether what characters everyone they themselves deem worthy of being considered playable, would be absoluteley pointless.

[Kyronea]

No, see, Dankun, there's senseless Chrono Cross bashing, and then there's sensible criticism. One of the flaws of Chrono Cross was it's huge number of characters...no one character--apart from Kid--could ever really get any sort of focus, and that seriously huge number of characters also contributed to the other sensible criticism, the pacing of the plot.

You may have noticed that I've been mentioning here and there in my reviews about a coveted "Stay a PC" list of mine, which I'm forming based on my idea of a redone Chrono Cross plot to be more Trigger like in the sense of its pacing and its focus on the primary characters, to give the fantastic things about Cross a true chance to shine when they might have been a little muddled. The idea isn't to insult Cross in the way bashers do--who only use the extra characters and the muddled pacing as more fuel for their hatred--but to give Chrono fans a chance to fix, as it were, the few problems in the game.

All that said, I'm not sure a poll is the best way to go about it just yet, as it might turn into a popularity contest rather than a serious discussion of sensible characters to keep and characters to discard as PCs, and I don't want to see that at all.

[V_Translanka]

I think after all of the character polls are done all of them should be reopened...It'd be nice to see if the average grades stood the test of time...

Plus, this should be done for the CT characters as well...