How differents dimension came to be?

[Zariel]

Well, I have been thinking this for a while and I think that maybe I can get good amount of points of view in this place.
The question is quite simple but... quite troublesome in some way.

How different dimensions came to exist... and how they work?

I dunno if this has been posted, if it's a stupid question... or if something is bad.
So... if something is bad... I'm truly sorry.

Well, the question came from things out of Chrono series... and the things that most strike me are about the amount of alternate realities that can exist and how they are born.
It's because a key event? or perhaps it's because a threath to time itself?

What do you think?

PD: Just want to say that the answer doesn't had to fit in the Chrono series, cuz this is more a general question.
About dimensional mechanics and how they work, themselves and with other factors such as time.

[Generality]

Eleven.

[Azure]

Different dimensions are interesting things to think about...  I'll have to think about this one more.  Thanks, I've been looking for something new to think about.

[Chrono Master]

How they discribed Home World and another World existance, when there's  a 50-50 Chance of a dramatic event taking place, like some one dieing the world will take two coarses one we may be completely unaware of. So ther may already be over 10,000,000 different dimensions in existance.

[Zariel]

Well, let's say that a dramatic event or key event take place. Thus, there is a certain amount of possible options to that certain event. A different dimension is created from that one... but still it doesn't seems to be viable in terms or energy.

I have been thinking and maybe dimension works in the way of cells. They divide themselves into other smaller version and in that way, energy is mantained, and balance.
 

[Chrono Master]

Well, let's say that a dramatic event or key event take place. Thus, there is a certain amount of possible options to that certain event. A different dimension is created from that one... but still it doesn't seems to be viable in terms or energy.

I have been thinking and maybe dimension works in the way of cells. They divide themselves into other smaller version and in that way, energy is mantained, and balance.
 

Wow. for once I'm not sure what to say, it sounds like that could be more accurate than my own theory. I know this though, the olny way we're going to find out is if we find some way to break the barriers of the dimensions. I don't think  ourtechnology is at that piont though. oh well lets try to find a way any way i'll go resherch the subject more to see if I can find away to break those barriers. *actually runs off to get a cookies and milk*  

[Kebrel]

Well, let's say that a dramatic event or key event take place. Thus, there is a certain amount of possible options to that certain event. A different dimension is created from that one... but still it doesn't seems to be viable in terms or energy.

I have been thinking and maybe dimension works in the way of cells. They divide themselves into other smaller version and in that way, energy is mantained, and balance.

That wouldn't work at all, energy is not the problem. Each dimension must be an entirely self-sufficient system other wise there we can't keep creating dimensions.

I will use fake units and dates for simplicity. The universe has 10 units of energy at year 0. An event occurs with more then one out come, the universe splits both with 5 energy. Next event they split, 4 dimensions 2.5 units of energy each. If this repeats then soon there wouldn't be enough energy to continue at all. Energy can't be "grown" only re-channeled just like eating.

This means that the split doesn't happen natural at all and must happen due to interference (as is the case in chrono cross) or we will all shrive up and die from lack of energy.

[BROJ]

Eleven.

I wouldn't be so definitive about that, its all based on theory anyways;  standard model says 4, while general string theory says 10, and M-theorists, a derivative of strings trying to bring all sciences together into a single theory of everything, say 11. So yeah its whatever you choose to believe at this point, besides these sciences are relatively new and could easily change when the results of the Large Halicon Collider experiment come back later this year.   

[Dark Serge]

A lot of key events happened in Chrono Cross without dimensions splitting. It's a mystery why it happened when Kid saved Serge.

Therefore, I do not believe there are any other dimension from this one. Another dimension being created is an enigma that probably only happens once in a million years, if it even happens. Imo.

[Zariel]

That wouldn't work at all, energy is not the problem. Each dimension must be an entirely self-sufficient system other wise there we can't keep creating dimensions.

I will use fake units and dates for simplicity. The universe has 10 units of energy at year 0. An event occurs with more then one out come, the universe splits both with 5 energy. Next event they split, 4 dimensions 2.5 units of energy each. If this repeats then soon there wouldn't be enough energy to continue at all. Energy can't be "grown" only re-channeled just like eating.

This means that the split doesn't happen natural at all and must happen due to interference (as is the case in chrono cross) or we will all shrive up and die from lack of energy.

Yeah I came to that conclusion too, but it came to be pretty natural to me if you put this scenario on the road.

Cells split a certain amount of times until they die. By the end of that amount, the replication is pretty and much lessened. First, because the constant replication exhaust them and second, because the energy is less effective and harder to recharge.
If you see it this way, the entire universe has a limited amount of existence, after what the most obvious assumption is that it simple dies.

But I think that if we put the work on backwards... we get other point of view for it. This, of course, is pure speculation and theory.
We believe that the universe came to be from a great "bang" of energy and matter. Because of this... everything kept expanding away from the initial point of creation.
Now, if energy is lessened because the split of dimensions... every reply of the universe would be less energized and in time, they would stop to move... and began to travel backwards, probably because gravitational attraction. Which I believe it's called, "The big Crunch" Theory.
Then it travels until the origin point and explodes in a burst of energy enough to start the cycle again.

Well, I hope to have explained it... well.

[BROJ]

That wouldn't work at all, energy is not the problem. Each dimension must be an entirely self-sufficient system other wise there we can't keep creating dimensions.

I will use fake units and dates for simplicity. The universe has 10 units of energy at year 0. An event occurs with more then one out come, the universe splits both with 5 energy. Next event they split, 4 dimensions 2.5 units of energy each. If this repeats then soon there wouldn't be enough energy to continue at all. Energy can't be "grown" only re-channeled just like eating.

This means that the split doesn't happen natural at all and must happen due to interference (as is the case in chrono cross) or we will all shrive up and die from lack of energy.

Yeah I came to that conclusion too, but it came to be pretty natural to me if you put this scenario on the road.

Cells split a certain amount of times until they die. By the end of that amount, the replication is pretty and much lessened. First, because the constant replication exhaust them and second, because the energy is less effective and harder to recharge.
If you see it this way, the entire universe has a limited amount of existence, after what the most obvious assumption is that it simple dies.

But I think that if we put the work on backwards... we get other point of view for it. This, of course, is pure speculation and theory.
We believe that the universe came to be from a great "bang" of energy and matter. Because of this... everything kept expanding away from the initial point of creation.
Now, if energy is lessened because the split of dimensions... every reply of the universe would be less energized and in time, they would stop to move... and began to travel backwards, probably because gravitational attraction. Which I believe it's called, "The big Crunch" Theory.
Then it travels until the origin point and explodes in a burst of energy enough to start the cycle again.

Well, I hope to have explained it... well.

This, of course, is pure speculation and theory.

Time to throw a *little* science into the batch.

We believe that the universe came to be from a great "bang" of energy and matter. Because of this... everything kept expanding away from the initial point of creation.

This is one of the biggest misconceptions that make me cringe whenever I hear it, no offense to you just one of those peeves I have. The big bang was not a "bang" at all, nor did it have much to do with matter, except that it was evolving into a more stable form. But, rather it was *space and time* that was expanding and as a result matter and energy "cooled" In addition the theory of dimensions be created continuously after the big bang is folly, again no offense intended, all of the dimensions we know of, experience, or theorize were created *at* the big bang through initial conditions which also determined the power of weak and strong nuclear forces, gravity, and electromagnetism

Now, if energy is lessened because the split of dimensions... every reply of the universe would be less energized and in time, they would stop to move... and began to travel backwards, probably because gravitational attraction. Which I believe it's called, "The big Crunch" Theory.

With this you assume that gravity as well does not spill into higher dimensions, which is one thing about string theory that has been implicitly proven. So under your assumption of dimensions being continuously created, the big chill (probably the most boring end to the universe) is more likely.

Besides with the recent (within the last 20 years) discovery of the universe expanding at an accelerating rate, which may be accelerating or time may just be slowing down (a la string theory and relativity allowing dimensions to switch between time and space respectively)  the big crunch is unlikely, at best, to happen. If the universe's expansion really *is* expanding the big rip (here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Rip) is the most possible scenario.  But hey, look on the bright side, we'll all be dead by then, so worrying about it is moot. 

Then it travels until the origin point and explodes in a burst of energy enough to start the cycle again.

I like your theory, though. It is rather Hinduesque; what with the cycle and everything.

[Thought]

This is one of the biggest misconceptions that make me cringe whenever I hear it, no offense to you just one of those peeves I have. The big bang was not a "bang" at all, nor did it have much to do with matter, except that it was evolving into a more stable form. But, rather it was *space and time* that was expanding and as a result matter and energy "cooled" In addition the theory of dimensions be created continuously after the big bang is folly, again no offense intended, all of the dimensions we know of, experience, or theorize were created *at* the big bang through initial conditions which also determined the power of weak and strong nuclear forces, gravity, and electromagnetism

Misconceptions work both ways. Dimensions, unfortunately, can mean the length, width, depth, spazitude, etc of an object, but it has a LONG tradition of being used as meaning an alternate reality as well. Both uses are technically correct. Home World and Another World are two dimensions that exist in the same dimension, as it were (that is, two 3-dimensional worlds that are separated by a 4th dimensional distance... or 4-dimension worlds separated by a 5th dimensional distance, or something like that).

Anywho, on the topic of dimensions I do recall the possibility of energy (and matter) existing simultaneously in all possible dimensions (I'm trying to track down WHERE I heard this, so far with no luck, so it might have just as possibly been something I read on a different forum, in a sci-fi book, or heard in a physics class). Consider the Double-Slit Experiment; by all appearances, a single photon can pass through two different slits at the exact same time, striking a photographic plate in two different locations (well, more than two locations, really; if there is only one slit, the curious outcome disappears, and if the photons are measured as they pass through one slit or another the effect disappears) . This may be the result of that photon existing in different locations at a single time. Extrapolated from that, it might be possible for a photon (and matter in general) to not only exist in two 3-dimensional locations at once, but also two 4-dimensional locations. To offer an example, the energy and matter that would comprise the Masamune in Homeworld would be the exact same (not just similar, but the exact same) energy and matter that would comprise the Masamune in Another World. Energy and matter would seemingly be limited, but their potential locations are not (sort of like how money is limited by wealth isn't).

Thus, when dimensions split no new matter or energy is created and neither is energy or matter divided between the two.

As for how dimensions are created, it seems to be a very rare event in the Chrono Universe. Possibly they normally exist independently from the very beginning of time and that splits never (or should not) occur. Alternately, the p-value for splitting dimensions may just be very high (or would that be low… meh, whichever one means unlikely – I apparently need to refreshen my memory on p-values).

[Dark Serge]

I thought of a new theory:

What if the dimensions didn't split? What if there were already dozens of dimensions, but when Kid saved Serge, these two just became connected to each other. Also something interesting to think about.

[BROJ]

Misconceptions work both ways

How so... Remember, I was talking about the Big Bang, not dimensions in *that* statement.

Dimensions, unfortunately, can mean the length, width, depth, spazitude, etc of an object, but it has a LONG tradition of being used as meaning an alternate reality as well.

True, but I believe the point previously brought up was *creating* new dimensions via the use of energy; which, without some sort of divine intervention is impossible, spacial or reality-wise, is impossible. Unless you're referring to time travel and temporal interference, then that's a whole different topic.

Both uses are technically correct. Home World and Another World are two dimensions that exist in the same dimension, as it were (that is, two 3-dimensional worlds that are separated by a 4th dimensional distance... or 4-dimension worlds separated by a 5th dimensional distance, or something like that).

If they are 5th dimensional possibilities, then they are separated by a 6th dimensional distance.

Anywho, on the topic of dimensions I do recall the possibility of energy (and matter) existing simultaneously in all possible dimensions (I'm trying to track down WHERE I heard this, so far with no luck, so it might have just as possibly been something I read on a different forum, in a sci-fi book, or heard in a physics class).

String Theory.

Consider the Double-Slit Experiment; by all appearances, a single photon can pass through two different slits at the exact same time, striking a photographic plate in two different locations (well, more than two locations, really; if there is only one slit, the curious outcome disappears, and if the photons are measured as they pass through one slit or another the effect disappears). This may be the result of that photon existing in different locations at a single time. Extrapolated from that, it might be possible for a photon (and matter in general) to not only exist in two 3-dimensional locations at once, but also two 4-dimensional locations.

Which started the movement of belief in higher dimensions. Or it could be proof of Quantum Entanglement. (a topic correlating the two subjects -- here.)

Thus, when dimensions split no new matter or energy is created and neither is energy or matter divided between the two.

Just a note, the law of conservation of mass *can* be violated, but only if the offender disappears very shortly (for more information go here.)

As for how dimensions are created, it seems to be a very rare event in the Chrono Universe. Possibly they normally exist independently from the very beginning of time and that splits never (or should not) occur. Alternately, the p-value for splitting dimensions may just be very high (or would that be low… meh, whichever one means unlikely – I apparently need to refreshen my memory on p-values).

During the space of CT dimensions were being split, created, and destroyed at a rather rapid rate, through the actions of Crono and Co., so p-value becomes negligible at best.

[Thought]

How so... Remember, I was talking about the Big Bang, not dimensions in *that* statement.

Aye, I seem to have made a very fundamental mistake in that. I could have sworn I double checked my response against your original comment before posting, but...

Terribly sorry about that.

String Theory.

Actually, I was able to track it down to a lecture in an old college class on Science Fiction. My notes are craptacular, so I'm not sure which Sci-Fi story I got it from, but anywho (and presumably the author got it from String Theory).

During the space of CT dimensions were being split, created, and destroyed at a rather rapid rate, through the actions of Crono and Co., so p-value becomes negligible at best.

Well dimensions might have been created and they might have been destoryed, but "split"? No evidence for that in CT that I can see. Indeed, there seems to be a distinction between timelines (which were what was switched in CT) and dimensions. Given the Belthasar's comments about the two dimensions in CC, it seems as if the p-value is rather significant (to such a point that timelines generally are discarded rather than becoming dimensions).