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« on: December 19, 2004, 01:05:14 am »
Let's rank the characters of Chrono Trigger. Submit your rankings first; when everyone has, we'll average the rankings and then write commentary on why we voted in a particular way.

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« Reply #1 on: December 19, 2004, 01:35:41 am »
Magus
Frog
Crono
Lucca
Robo
Marle
Ayla

Though it was difficult, Magus was my obvious choice for the top spot. Rarely does a game feature a memorable character so worshipped and revered as Magus; he receives the royal treatment in fanfictions, often being the topic of such stories, and is the epitome of bad, dangerous, and dashingly cool character. What distinguishes Magus from mere goths, emos, or other personalities who exist solely to be Byronic heroes or satisfaction to action-loving audiences is the fact that he's supplemented with a truly tragic history and clearly-defined purposes for living. The destruction of Lavos as revenge and the location of Schala are his top priorities, and are always present in his mannerisms and actions. Dealt a critical blow by not being included in Chrono Cross, Magus regardless does get a chance at seeing his dream fulfilled in Radical Dreamers.

I placed Frog in second in my tally due to his amazing background and character; Frog is one of, if not the most interesting and fleshed-out party member of the game, sporting a rich history of chivalry and knighthood stained by the tragic war against the Mystics and the lost of his friend and mentor, Cyrus. While this alone would provide an excellent backdrop, his story is further enhanced as its sorrows and difficulties are resolved in-game with the restoration of the Hero's Grave, the paying of final respects to Cyrus, and the peacemaking between Frog and Magus. These are the qualities that make audiences come to love a character, and qualify Frog in such a high position in my ranking.

One of my biggest problems with Crono, and partly the reason he's at third is the lack of personality that comes with Square's tendency to have mute protagonists. While Crono certainly isn't mute as a fact of the series, and nor do I dislike that decision by Square, it nonetheless hurts Crono by denying him a voice. However, there are still plenty of actions to infer his disposition from, and his sacrifice to Lavos seals that he's an exceptional courageous person who rocks with swords and never passes up the chance for adventure or a change of pace. This and his raw power in-game land him third on my list.

I ranked Lucca fourth mostly due to her inferiorities under my top three choices. As far as characters go, she's well-rounded; she is driven with an interesting personality and background, with a passion for science that arose out of tragedy and a chance to repair that problem in the past. Additionally, she befriends Robo, leading to much development between the two. Outside of plot, Lucca's no pushover either; she fuels the fire portion of the dangerous Antipode tech with Marle, and her scientific background affords her guns and even a couple of great suits from her father, Taban. She's got it all, and even figures into Radical Dreamers and Chrono Cross, proving a mainstay of the series. Hail to the chief, the modest Lucca Ashtear extraordinaire.

I ranked Robo fifth simply because I never grew attached to him that emotionally; he always seemed to do fine on his own, and even though his brothers trashed him, Robo nevertheless kept an optimistic spirit and always offered expertise and technical assistance to the party. His shining moment comes in the Geno Dome Sidequest, where he confronts the evil computer, Mother Brain, that supposedly created him. Another pinnacle of his stay with the party is the cultivation of Fiona's Forest and the offering of the Green Dream to Lucca; he thus plays an influential role in time and is an excellent friend to Mrs. Ashtear. While suffering in battle somewhat due to never getting his own Element, Robo nonetheless excels with some of his techs.

Marle comes in sixth on my list due to a bad case of mediocrity. Ever the lover of Crono, she does seem shallow at times, and though her affection is deep, her behavior even elicits the label of "Idiot!" from Magus during the sidequest to save her father. Her techs are also mostly limited to healing; however, she is one half of the Antipode spell as a redeeming factor. In terms of plot, I would have liked to see something bad happen to her at least once to show some development, as she seemed somewhat static throughout; this isn't necessarily a bad thing, considering her character is one of much love and upstanding morals. And hey, she beat out Ayla.

Hey, someone's gotta come in last. Ayla ranked seventh on my list for various reasons. Firstly, it was always a joy when playing Chrono Trigger to take different members of the party to particular situations and read their responses (such as Frog's "We haveth our own will" at the last battle with Lavos). Ayla never provided many things of worth in the dialogue department, with her grunts and simplistic statements often smacking of redundancy. Secondly, Ayla was denied a sidequest completely; while Singing Mountain may or may not have been the dungeon intended for a planned sidequest, its missing with any other character development she could have undergone. Regardless, she still tears it up with physical techs, but don't expect much emotional appeal -- or Ayla head go boom!

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« Reply #2 on: December 19, 2004, 06:19:06 pm »
Frog
Magus
Robo
Lucca
Crono
Ayla
Marle

For me, the toughest call was between Frog and Magus, because, at a deeper level, there isn't a whole lot of difference between the two. I think this makes their relationship all the more interesting. Both of them lost someone important to them because they were too weak to protect them. Both were changed fundamentally after that encounter. Janus became Magus, and Glenn became Frog. In the end, I deffered to Frog, because he seemed to grow from his experiences more. Frog does not let his hatred of Magus harm others, and that is an important difference between the two. Frog trys to not create more victims, Magus creates thousands. Frog gains redemption because he regains himself, wether or not he regains his old body. This is shown when he takes the Masamune, and before carving out the path to Magus' castle, he declares "Mine name is Glenn!" Janus, however is dead. Magus is all that remains. Magus himself acknowledges this at North Cape: "I lived there once, but I was a different person then." He has no chance at redemption, only vengence, which, while not dishonorable in of itself, he takes to such an extreme degree that it destroys what ever chance of a happy life he had after the Ocean Palace disaster.

Robo takes the bronze on my list. Robo, like Magus and Frog, overcomes great hardship. When Lucca repairs him, the world he has known has been dead for over three hundred years. Soon after being reactivated, his brothers trash him, and later, when he returns to the place of his construction, he must fight to the death with his friend from centuries ago, and destroy his "mother". Throughout all of this, Robo maintains an important attitude, made more incredible by the fact that he is a robot. As the game progresses, he grows to love life more and more, and to realize the importance of life and the need to defend it. It is ironic, because he is not a living being himself, but he still overcomes his programming and inatimacy to protect and nuture life where ever he can, more so than most people do.

Lucca ranks in at fourth. With an intellect matched only by her ego, Lucca is an important ally to Crono throughout his quest. It is Lucca's inventions that enable most of the quest. She and her father built the telepod that started the adventure, and using the knowledge from that, she created the Gate Key, the party's only means of time travel until the discovery of the Epoch. She repairs Robo, and encourages him along his path to understanding life. Much like her red haired friend, Lucca always keeps her wits about her, and always finds a way to get Crono out of trouble when ever he should find himself in it. Without her intelligence, curiosity, and loyalty, the adventure never would have started, and the world would have been damned the ravages of Lavos' awakening.

Ah, Crono, the archtypical silent protaganist. While we learn nothing about Crono through his speech, we learn a great deal about his character through his actions. Crono exmplifies the selflessness of the hero, needing no reason to help people; friends, strangers, anyone, Crono is willing to lend a helping hand (or sword). At any point, Crono could have turned back and gone home. The girl he dove into the unknown to save was a stranger he met minutes before, and the only thing he knew about her was a lie. The apocalypse he fought to avert would come a millenium after his life and death.  While some of the battles he fought in were ultimately inconsequencial to history, he fought anyway, because he couldn't abandon people in need of his help.

I decided to not give Ayla the bottom slot, a decision that will probably leave me without company amongst fans of the series. While hard to relate to because of her broken speech and insistance on using violence to solve any problem that came in her way, Ayla is not a mindless brute. She is the leader of one of two surviving tribes of humans, and the only one fighting against the more highly evolved Reptites. Though her brain is the most primative of the party members, she manages to grasp a surpising amount of what goes on, and manages not to go crazy, despite finding herself in situations far beyond what she could have any hope of being prepared for. And while most of the concepts used to discuss the other characters are beyond the scope of her experience, Ayla exhibits a respect for her enemies well beyond what could have been expected. Like Robo, she understood the value of life, including the Reptites, as shown in her conversation with Azala just before the fall of Lavos.

Only one party member left. Marle. While she usually had good intentions, she was oblivious to the effect her actions had on others. She refuses to consider the perspectives of others, and acts impulsively without thought to the consequences. While her incompetence does eventually set moving the events which lead to the world being saved, it required divine intervention on the part of the Entity in order for her to fully play her part. While Marle was important to starting the quest, for which she is due some recognition, she seems mostly to be important in that she gets the party to do things, rather than doing things for the party.

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« Reply #3 on: December 20, 2004, 06:31:38 pm »
Frog

The first time Frog lept onto the screen to save Crono & Lucca from the monsters in Manoria Cathedral, I knew I liked him. Frog has class. He has skill. His mastery of the sword is rivaled by none. He is the legendary hero of the Middle Ages - yet in spite of all this, Frog lives a solitary, humble existence, most of it spent in remorse that he could not save the life of his closest friend and disgraced his King and Queen in the process. I believe that's why I like Frog - he commands all of this amazing potential, yet fails to recognize his own talent - he needs the support of his friends and allies to realize this talent - and in the end, he uses the skills he has learned to avenge those whom he failed before. Despite everything being taken from him, Frog rises to his feet and returns to slug it out once more. Better than most any character in an RPG, I believe Frog defines what it is to be a hero or heroine.


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« Reply #4 on: December 20, 2004, 08:28:16 pm »
Magus
Frog
Robo
Crono
Lucca
Marle
Ayla

Why is it that Ayla has the least character development?  She doesn't even have a side-quest!  
I put Robo in front of Crono, since I just love the whole Geno Dome sidequest, where Robo breaks all his ties with the past to be with his friends (primarily Lucca).

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« Reply #5 on: December 22, 2004, 12:38:21 pm »
Magus

There's really not much to say here that hasn't been already said. Magus is likeable because he's not a hero; he's a villian with motives that happen to coincide with Crono & Co's. Who wasn't shocked (and completely thrilled) when they were offered the chance to have the Zealian wizard join their party on the North Cape? The complexity of his motives and feelings have left us with a character that just screams for fanfiction to be written about him.

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« Reply #6 on: December 22, 2004, 02:10:59 pm »
This just might be a success. Let me ask you though -- these were sort of fun, right? Not much work involved?

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« Reply #7 on: December 22, 2004, 05:03:45 pm »
Yeah, and certainly interesting. I hope that some of the other contributors will edit and elaborate , explaining their full lists.

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« Reply #8 on: December 22, 2004, 05:12:11 pm »
Right.  It was really fun!

The reason I put Marle near the bottom of my list is because to me, there's not much that makes Marle stand out as a character.  Yeah, the first hour or so of the game revolves around her, and she does honestly love Crono.  But at the end of the day, there's nothing that makes you go, "Wow...Marle..."

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« Reply #9 on: December 23, 2004, 12:12:19 am »
I just sit down and post a few thoughts when they come to me - definately enjoyable, but explaining all my feelings toward the characters would take a fair amount of time, especially for one sitting.

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« Reply #10 on: December 23, 2004, 12:21:35 am »
Well, Peaceman, it would be desirable if you wrote something for each character.

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« Reply #11 on: December 26, 2004, 12:16:52 am »
Release this tomorrow (Sunday), or hold off til next week? Just wondering, as we do have enough material to go tomorrow, but if you guys wish to finish, we can also wait, as this is the first.

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« Reply #12 on: December 27, 2004, 04:28:25 am »
I assume you would just pick and choose what to post instead of posting everything everyone says, right?

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« Reply #13 on: December 27, 2004, 12:11:56 pm »
Well, I had originally thought we can feature a paragraph from everyone's writing, but this is all completely flexible.

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« Reply #14 on: December 27, 2004, 10:20:48 pm »
That answers what I was getting at. You're not expecting an all-or-nothing entry - we can cut and paste so if I only feel like writing about a character or two (or am busy elsewhere), that little submission can still be utilized.