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[Agent 12]

it came out pretty good!  There are a few issues you may want to worry about though.. especially if you opt for the snowy reptite, not snowy human scenario:

The "Holy lake" area is used in both timelines (currently it's snowy)
There's also a forest area in the south west used in both timelines (currently it's snowy)

I'm cool with you moving future Lucca/Robo into the imported OW as long as we still utilize the existing overworld. I definitely want to use every OW we can.  Just to clarify you've seen the Cedric/Antaeus side quest right?  It takes place on a ship (based on the ship you made awhile ago).  I'm not going to budge on moving that into a snowy area the ship is a super amazing idea

--JP

[Chrono'99]

Ah, didn't see that sidequest yet. You mean Cambyse (Choras) rather than Antaeus (Porre), right? We're definitely keeping Cambyse on the ship (nice map, by the way).

Anyway, it's impossible to move the Lucca/Robo stuff and still use the existing Reptite 2302 AD overworld, because the solution for 1 AD requires a free overworld for the additional Human 1 AD. However, the Reptite 2302 overworld was created by Nightmare975 basically from scratch, so we should definitely keep it...Nightmare, sorry about thinking of removing it! At first I thought it was created from a simple palette swap of the ruined 2300 AD from CT, but you actually re-created all the continents tile by tile, right?

So I guess what's best is to keep the Reptite 2302 overworld, and keep the 1 AD overworld, keep it snowy and used for both Reptite and Human chapters. Basically I'll revert the overworld palette changes of the previous post. The 1 AD locations can still have a custom palette if people agree on the one in the screenshot below (currently a Photoshop edit).

In the end, all this was just an attempt at tweaking things so that players don't get confused when they see a snowy world right after King Zeal literally burns the atmosphere and prevents the Ice Age, but I guess we'll go with the "It's winter" explanation...

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[nightmare975]

Nightmare, sorry about thinking of removing it! At first I thought it was created from a simple palette swap of the ruined 2300 AD from CT, but you actually re-created all the continents tile by tile, right?

Correct, it was pretty tough too. But you have to say the time was worth it.

In the end, all this was just an attempt at tweaking things so that players don't get confused when they see a snowy world right after King Zeal literally burns the atmosphere and prevents the Ice Age, but I guess we'll go with the "It's winter" explanation...

You know, I never thought that. I just assumes he destroyed Lavos before he could land on the planet, and his magic caused the events leading to the Ice Age instead, just not as bad.

[Chrono'99]

The idea was that King Zeal attempts to kill Lavos by striking the crater with his ultimate fire spell (Lavos is already underground). His spell then accidentally clears up the "dust" from the Red Star crash and so prevents the Ice Age from occurring, which leads to the Reptites surviving all Prehistory. I guess with such a long period of game development, details sometimes disappear or are not made explicit enough.

EDIT: See below.

[ZeaLitY]

If he can find some good art, Ramsus will roll out a new site layout. I've also wanted to do the analysis review and work on the to-do list.

But at this point, I'm going to do CE dialogue first. I still have another week of school, but in the meantime, can anyone edit the CE/Plot.html page on the encyclopedia with what we're changing for CT DS?

[Chrono'99]

Eh, I guess I should do that, and not just for CT DS, because I just realized I had forgot about the "Dragon Tooth in 3m B.C." plot point (for instance). King Zeal's spell doesn't prevent the Ice Age; one of the "Breaking Point" portal does, by the sending the Dragon Tooth in 3,000,000 B.C. where the Frozen Flame use it to recreate the Reptites. Anyway...I guess I should definitely update the plot outline to clearly remove the old plot points and have explicit descriptions of the most recent ones.

[ZeaLitY]

Okay. I'll probably just make a sacrificial effort on the dialogue, so maybe we should plan for beta testers. We'll have JP, Chrono'99, me...I'd like Vehek to give it a shakedown too, and if CyberSarkany has time...

Outside the core team:

Ramsus is open to it. Lord J might be able to help criticize dialogue (if he's interested). Geiger and JLukas would be nice, but Geiger probably doesn't have enough time. FaustWolf definitely...

Who else? We've got some pretty diverse viewpoints here, and these are all people I would trust not to leak anything. We'd give them a definite deadline, so it wouldn't take too long.

[Agent 12]

The palette hack above (photoshop) seems fine to me.  We can ask V, or boo if they want to beta test?  They seem pretty trustworthy.  I'm back tomorrow so I can get back to work.  Things are moving so fast all of a sudden!

--JP

[Chrono'99]

Good timing! I just finished polishing Chapter 7. In addition to code tweaking and whatnot, I added the palette for 1 A.D. outdoors locations, and I put a subtle yellow overlay effect on the 1 A.D. overworld. I also added a bunch of furnitures and decorations in Terra Tower to make it look less bare (using only the Tyrano Lair tileset!). That dragon statue is actually tiles from Azala's throne with a palette shift.

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[Agent 12]

Hey Chrono'99 I managed to get some work done on the plane.  but it was on the old patch so here's some flux files I worked on.  I'm reworking the ending (taking out the magus/frog part haha)  If you don't check out the rom tomorrow I'll patch them in myself.

I feel revived with Zeality's post up there stepping up to the plate and your lightning fast polishing.


--JP

P.S. close your bugs!!


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[Chrono'99]

Here's the patch. It's the same as the old one + the 3 Flux files above + I moved the blue robot in future Terra Tower a few tiles north as he was stuck in a solid area (due to the map tweak).

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[Agent 12]

at work right now but you might want to confirm that when Lucca/Robo get in the fight in the room above that the robot doesn't become part of that fight (that was why i moved him so low originally)

--JP

[Chrono'99]

It's okay, the monsters are far enough so he's out of the screen when you trigger the battle with them.

[ZeaLitY]

For the Dragon Tooth Reptite Timeline revelation, should that go in Emerald Dream Pt. III (2302 A.D.)? I guess it'll fit there. I divided the revelation into two halves (I didn't write the second half of the chapter yet, though), and that's when the party will learn about the Reptite "corruption", so it seems natural to maybe have Lucca and Robo realize that the Dragon Tooth was responsible at this point?

I'm chewing through stuff today, but it won't be long before I can start dialogue

[Chrono'99]

Yes, that would fit. Also if there are too much stuff to say at once, some things can be elaborated upon in one of the Reptite residences accessible from the world map. One of these residences could be a small info center, like Chronopolis in Chrono Cross (though much smaller obviously).