Lucca & Luccia? Ayla and Leah? Frog and Glenn (CC)?

[Boo the Gentleman Caller]

Thanks Translanka, I was just about to go pull it up when I saw you had already done it for me!

[Moonglasses]

-Regarding Leah/Ayla:-

Being that Gaea's Navel was NOT terraformed with the rest of the dragon islands in the El Nido archipelago,  it remains chronologically possible that Leah's tribe has existed there apart from the rest of the world since 65,000,000 BC. However, Gaea's Navel was really one of the only islands in the the El Nido sea in 65,000,000 BC (nothing had been terraformed yet), and who knows how far away from the mainland. Even ignoring the sheer cliffs that make entry virtually impossible, I think it's highly unlikely that Leah came from a stock of people who had always been there.

Also, when mankind came in contact with the FF later on, they began to rapidly evolve, meaning, essentially, that's really not too possible for Leah / her tribe to have existed this long and have not evolved. Personally, I subscribe to the theory of the time gate in the Mystic Mts. If random animals / annoying jungle beat playing things wandered in there too, it would explain how Gaea's Navel got populated. That might also explain how Leah would be able to get back to 65,000,000 BC and birth an Ayla (as she says she will in .

-Regarding Lucca/Lucciana:-

After the optional 'Burning Orphanage' sequence, Luccia reads a letter to Kid from Lucca. She mentions that they were good friends and colleagues, and says something along the lines of Lucca being a genius who would have surpassed her [Luccia] in scientific studies had she not come to her tragic fate. So, they're definitely not the same person, just good friends who are both scientists and both have purple hair and both have very similar names and both wear glasses, etc. etc.

Unless...maybe...just maybe...Lucca grew her hair out and changed her name and adopted a fake accent and BECAME LUCCIA!. We never actually see Lucca's dead body or anything. All I recall seeing in the Burning Orphange is a pair of glasses on the ground. Hee hee.

-Regarding Frog/ CC's Glenn-

I really don't know what to make of this. I mean, they're clearly not the same person, unless frog was reincarnated, because we know of CC 's Glenn's origins; he is Garai's son and Dario's brother. He even looks like Dario, so it seems quite likely that they are legitimately related and that he was born around 1000 AD or so.

Still, I feel like if there wasn't supposed to be a connection at all, Square wouldn't have given them the same name, the same inferiority complex, similar outfits, similar swords, etc. In the end, they even kind of turn out the same. Frog gets changed back to CT's Glenn (according to the PSX ending), having made peace with Cyrus, whom he succeeded in a way. Likewise, CC's Glenn makes peace with Dario/Garai after death, and succeeds them as well. Both of them end of bearers of great swords of power (CT Glenn = Masamune, CC Glenn = Einlanzer) as well.

It's tough to say. Personally, I don't think they're the same person, but the similarities are too great to be coincidental.

[V_Translanka]

Being that Gaea's Navel was NOT terraformed with the rest of the dragon islands in the El Nido archipelago,  it remains chronologically possible that Leah's tribe has existed there apart from the rest of the world since 65,000,000 BC.

You'd think Zeal would have been able to find them, though or w/e...But I guess they could have been busy w/other stuff...

Lucca/Lucciana

Her name was Lutianna.

Still, I feel like if there wasn't supposed to be a connection at all, Square wouldn't have given them the same name, the same inferiority complex, similar outfits, similar swords, etc. In the end, they even kind of turn out the same. Frog gets changed back to CT's Glenn (according to the PSX ending), having made peace with Cyrus, whom he succeeded in a way. Likewise, CC's Glenn makes peace with Dario/Garai after death, and succeeds them as well. Both of them end of bearers of great swords of power (CT Glenn = Masamune, CC Glenn = Einlanzer) as well.

It's tough to say. Personally, I don't think they're the same person, but the similarities are too great to be coincidental.

Look at all the Ryu's in the Breath of Fire series.

[fralas1354]

Yeah, but with ryu there was also nina and bleu  who also repeated throughout the games and were clearly not the same person with the exception of bleu, but i also think there may have been something more to the Glenn/Frog thing. I have played through Chrono trigger a thousand times along with CC and the comparisons are uncanny i just can't put my finger on what it might have been

[ZealKnight]

Ok look at it like Cid from FF. All of them are some sort of scientist, mostly a pilot.

[mav]

I say we do a Luccia -> Lucca patch for Chrono Cross sometime.

Seconded.

And Leah is undoubtedly one of the strangest characters in Chrono Cross: her connection to Ayla is that quote at the end of the game, non? Where she simply shouts that she has the name AYLAAAAA chosen for her-um child. And as far as Glenn's connection to Frog, he was named after Chrono Trigger's Glenn, which is stated only in the Ultimania guide. I never really expected them to be the same character, but figured that Chrono Cross's Glenn was just a nod to a memorable fan favorite from Chrono Trigger.

Luccia's connection to Lucca is just worthless to me though. Aside from giving Kid the letter, she seemed pretty useless.

[Boo the Gentleman Caller]

For those new to the Compendium there is an ongoing Chrono Cross hack that is adding plenty to Chrono Cross, included in those was implementing all of the characters from Chrono Trigger.  Just an FYI.

[mav]

Is this in reference to the hack that replaced Guile with Magus? I took a look at that and was pretty damn delighted, and I'm sure tossing Lucca in wouldn't be out of their league.

[Yourgingerestfan]

me and boo are both part of that project
rest assured you will be seeing lucca but not very soon we still have a long way to go yet !

[mav]

Hey take your time, if there's anything being a Chrono fan has taught me, it's that waiting for something good usually gives you something worth the while.

[fralas1354]

Hey take your time, if there's anything being a Chrono fan has taught me, it's that waiting for something good usually gives you something worth the while.

This statement is soooo true... only problem is the wait can sometimes be longer then we originally signed up for

That is unless it's coming from the find people here at the compendium

[Fireseal]

For those new to the Compendium there is an ongoing Chrono Cross hack that is adding plenty to Chrono Cross, included in those was implementing all of the characters from Chrono Trigger.  Just an FYI.

Is this in reference to the hack that replaced Guile with Magus? I took a look at that and was pretty damn delighted, and I'm sure tossing Lucca in wouldn't be out of their league.

me and boo are both part of that project
rest assured you will be seeing lucca but not very soon we still have a long way to go yet !

So that means you're all hoping to actually rewrite Chrono Cross? Sure I had hoped for a little more explanation on things in CC, but wouldn't it make more sense for the actual game company that produced CC to remake and improve on the game's storyline? I know that it's a fan made hack, but CT: Crimson Echoes is different than this. It's a fan made sequel to the game, whereas you're trying to reshape CC in your own image by actually seeing Lucca(as flesh and blood, not as a ghost child) and Magus? There was a reason that SquareSoft decided not to include(in person) those two characters. If they should see fit that they make return appearances in CC, they would do so.

...but I guess that wouldn't stop ya. Since you guys are apparently already at it, might as well have a sidequest where you can actually visit Porre, learn more about Luccia, Norris and Grobyc.  And might as well have Miguel as he is weakened during the fight to say a speech like 'I had never wanted to use my magic again, but this time I have no choice...' and then he uses Chrono Trigger's version of Luminaire. The more awesome version IMO.

[Boo the Gentleman Caller]

So that means you're all hoping to actually rewrite Chrono Cross? Sure I had hoped for a little more explanation on things in CC, but wouldn't it make more sense for the actual game company that produced CC to remake and improve on the game's storyline? I know that it's a fan made hack, but CT: Crimson Echoes is different than this. It's a fan made sequel to the game, whereas you're trying to reshape CC in your own image by actually seeing Lucca(as flesh and blood, not as a ghost child) and Magus? There was a reason that SquareSoft decided not to include(in person) those two characters. If they should see fit that they make return appearances in CC, they would do so.

...but I guess that wouldn't stop ya. Since you guys are apparently already at it, might as well have a sidequest where you can actually visit Porre, learn more about Luccia, Norris and Grobyc.  And might as well have Miguel as he is weakened during the fight to say a speech like 'I had never wanted to use my magic again, but this time I have no choice...' and then he uses Chrono Trigger's version of Luminaire. The more awesome version IMO.

Are you familiar with a little game called "Radical Dreamers"?  That story was eventually 'reinvisioned' into a game called 'Chrono Cross'.  Chrono Cross explicitly explained that there are parallel universes and alternate timelines.  As for the storyline, you'll just have to wait a while.

[Fireseal]

I am very well familiar with Radical Dreamers and did realize that Chrono Cross was basically a reinvisioned and very extended version of that game. But the fact is that Squaresoft reinvisioned it, they have the rights to that game. I just feel that should your Chrono Cross version actually be completed, fully 3D and functional, SquareEnix might just do the same to what they did to Chrono Trigger: Ressurection(or however it was called). Boy, was that project ever a beautiful sight! There was one thing, the people that were working on it, they breeched copyright laws. You cannot make a remake(that's including a reinvisioned version) of a game, more less make a superior version without the approval of the game company that made the original game, like what happened to that beautiful piece of work of a remake of Chrono Trigger. Unless you want to get sued, I wouldn't recommend it though.

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I had just thought of this as I completed my previous paragraph. You can make a remake of a game, but not make it to be of high quality, as I read it you want your version of Chrono Chrono to be a hacked PSX version, yes? Just today I found out on youtube.com that someone completely remade Chrono Trigger.. But for the NES! And in Chinese! Here's the thing, it was made for the NES! I don't think many Chrono Trigger fans who aren't chinese can even read chinese(either of the two), even less people who now in this day and age of gaming could even stand playing a NES game and finish it, even if it were Chrono Trigger! I can say that after watching how the game played, I would not play it, even if I could speak chinese. That being said, that NES remake got the attention of very few Chrono fans. Very slight chance that it got the attention of SquareEnix, and even slimmer chance that they would care about a NES remake of their game, because it just doesn't attract a big enough crowd.

With the case of Chrono Trigger: Ressurection... I apologize for my language. Everybody that was a Chrono fan basically were touching themselves when those video clips for that game first came about. It was 3D and the graphics and color stayed true to Akira Toriyama's design. They did Luminaire beautifully! Although it would've been nice to see some ingame battle footage, given more time before SquareEnix's warning, we probably would've seen something very nice. That remake however, grabbed everybody's attention and possibly would've beaten SquareEnix's SNES/PSX version in terms of overall quality, plus it was assumed to be free to download and play. The customers don't care who they get the product from, but the companies do espacially if their product wasn't improved by them and being distributed for free, which is one of the main reasons why Copyrights exist.

Now for your Chrono Cross hack, I'm all for it! It'll be a brand new storyline, at the very least modified in the slightest. You could get away with it were it a remake for any video game system inferior to that or the original game's, or on RPG Maker 95/2000/2003/XP. Not 100% sure in the case of if it were still to be used on the PSX. Everybody today, who's a gamer, knows how to download and use emulators and roms/isos/whatever files used for games. I'd still think that a reinvisioned Chrono Cross hack would attract too much attention to a large fanbase and even to that of SquareEnix. So much attention that SquareEnix would want this project terminated and result to having to prosecute if not complied. You'd really have to get an approval from SquareEnix before it's release and to avoid it being a huge problem in the future, and remember that's if you and your team want your project to produce alot of attention. And with a decade almost gone by without a sequel/remake(even though the CT DS version coming soon) and the impressive demand for one, it's almost impossible to spread even just a rumor that a 3rd Chrono game is in the making without a huge fanbase saying 'ZOMGLOLZWTFBBQ?!?!?!?!'.

Not wanting to make you stop your idea for another Chrono Cross story, just think about how good you want it to be, as well talking it over, trying to make it approved with SquareEnix if the project will be of high quality. Just please consider not having to pump up the fans for a new fan made chrono project, only to be teared to shreds, like(again) what they did with Chrono Trigger: Ressurection.

=)

[V_Translanka]

CT:R & CTRP had a few things working against it and I don't really think the fact that they were remaking a game with better quality was exactly a main reason...They released too much before they actually had a finished product (once it's out there, there's no stopping it)...and there were also rumors that one (or both) of them were going to somehow make money from it. Whether or not the rumors were true really didn't matter, the fact that it was floating around would have been disastrous enough to draw the attention from higher-ups.

Oh yeah, and we're extremely off-topic...This talk really doesn't belong in the Analysis section...