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« Reply #240 on: July 18, 2005, 10:37:16 pm »
That's true, though I think it's not really fitting for the Chrono universe...  EXCEPT for Lucca.  I can see her and her alone using weapons called the "Annihilator" and so on...  But go through the list of her current weapons and see what inspiration may strike you...  Her final weapon is called the "Wonder Shot," so that sets a tone of...

[Wonder] = The nice, "uplifting" part referred to earlier...would refer to justice and the judging hand of all which is right.

[Shot] = The gun part. =P  So, synonyms for this that could be stuck in there would be Gun, Cannon, Pistol, etc, etc...

Follow the pattern and pull out some synonyms and maybe we get something like...  Hmm...  Miracle Cannon?  Just an example, and a lame one, but I'm at work right now so my imagination's busted. =P  See if you can't come up with something better. :)

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« Reply #241 on: July 18, 2005, 10:55:39 pm »
Butting in here, but I thought of a Masamune-esque quote for the Arco Dei while out running.

"Shall you use it to send your enemies to kneel at the the altar of God? Or shall it be cause for them to bow to you?"

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« Reply #242 on: July 18, 2005, 10:59:27 pm »
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Butting in here, but I thought of a Masamune-esque quote for the Arco Dei while out running.

"Shall you use it to send your enemies to kneel at the the altar of God? Or shall it be cause for them to bow to you?"


Sounds very good, though I'm not sure how you intend it. To me it sounds like 'will you use it in righteousness or in self-glory', but that's probably just my own interpretation of the line. I'm still trying to think of some, by the way.

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« Reply #243 on: July 18, 2005, 11:03:07 pm »
Yeah, I think that's what I meant to. It's a pretty vague statement. I'm also not sure how it would relate to Crono or have any meaning, considering all you can do is use it for good.

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« Reply #244 on: July 18, 2005, 11:34:51 pm »
This sounds like Dungeon Siege, that boring game I played a while ago, you play with a team of 4 if I rememebr well or up to 6 anyway you have spells bow and guns and it's a click-fest, but later in the game you get inside some goblins caves with robots and tanks and guns... Very out of the place...

When i finished this dungeon, all my melee had lightsabers and my reanged had laser guns...

I stopped playing after this it got really boring...

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« Reply #245 on: July 19, 2005, 03:12:21 am »
Hey, Will there be game genie cheat codes for the game? XD I love playing with cheats for the first time to get the plot, and then  I play legit the second time around xD

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« Reply #246 on: July 19, 2005, 03:41:23 am »
You tell ME.  The programmers don't make cheat codes, the players do.  So it'll depend on your emulator.

In other words, yes, you can theoretically cheat at it no matter what we do.  If you're just wanting infinite HP/MP, that'll probably work because more than likely we'll still store the characters' HP and MP in the same addresses as the original version, to ensure the game's stability.  If I was you, though, I wouldn't do much more than that.  ROM hacks are generally a lot more unstable easier to crash than original games when it comes to cheat codes.

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« Reply #247 on: July 19, 2005, 03:45:35 am »
I dunno, Jake-A-Roonie, some of the Japanese names for the weapons were a lot more unique and...I dunno...this isn't the exact word I'm looking for, but, fancy, sounding. Although Masamune would qualify, I like Grandleon/Grandlion a lot better for some reason...Masamune just gets overused.

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« Reply #248 on: July 19, 2005, 03:47:26 am »
I agree...and Masamune was a katana anyway. =P

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« Reply #249 on: July 19, 2005, 08:52:48 am »
It was ? Like in japanese legend?

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« Reply #250 on: July 19, 2005, 11:00:44 am »
Yeah, the Masamune & its twinner (in the Dark Tower sense :P) the Murasame.

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« Reply #251 on: July 19, 2005, 11:53:41 am »
The weapon names are for greater realism, since with the exception of the phaseblade and beamsaber, all of them are actual words, and lightsaber's already in the dictionary anyway.  The weapon names' simplicity (and often technical incorrectness) was one of my gripes with Trigger.  Lucca's plasma gun neither functioned like nor physically resembled what an actual plasma gun would be like, save that it would be pretty ineffective.  Not only that, the sword types come into question; I've never heard of a Demon Hit class of sword.  Pico Magnum? WTF is that? I can forgive the Masamune blooper because of the large role it played in the storyline.  But aside from those, it really is quite unreasonable that someone could find a better weapon in 600 A.D. than in 2300 A.D., unless it was a legendary weapon like the Masamune.  

And hey, if the game was actually cyberpunk, everyone would waltz around in black leather, deliver stilted dialogue, and wear sunglasses indoors.  :p

Chrono is based on a lot of the same ethical and moral principles as Xenogears, save that Xenogears takes place a few dozen millennia in the future and the main part of Chrono happens a thousand years ago.  The same "hey, God sucks, let's go kill him" vibe is there.

The best weapons in the game still are forged from natural minerals such as Rainbow Shell.  Most of the characters' ultimate weapons are composed of either that or Dreamstone.

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« Reply #252 on: July 19, 2005, 03:44:11 pm »
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]The weapon names are for greater realism, since with the exception of the phaseblade and beamsaber, all of them are actual words, and lightsaber's already in the dictionary anyway.  The weapon names' simplicity (and often technical incorrectness) was one of my gripes with Trigger.  Lucca's plasma gun neither functioned like nor physically resembled what an actual plasma gun would be like, save that it would be pretty ineffective.  Not only that, the sword types come into question; I've never heard of a Demon Hit class of sword.  Pico Magnum? WTF is that? I can forgive the Masamune blooper because of the large role it played in the storyline.  But aside from those, it really is quite unreasonable that someone could find a better weapon in 600 A.D. than in 2300 A.D., unless it was a legendary weapon like the Masamune.


Well, I find little problem with the names of the weaponry from Chrono Trigger, personally, and found them very inventive and technically alright. Why would a Plasma Gun not work? Could you not have a shell of super-heated gas that explodes upon impact? Auto-gun - as in auto-reloading - air-gun, and most others are just fine. Demon Hit is not a class of sword, but neither is a broadsword, and you know how often people use that term? Or chain-mail? And one can not call into account most of the mythical ones. Personally, I don't quite agree with the whole vibroblade/lightsaber type thing anyway, it doesn't quite fit. My mind is VERY slow at the moment, though, so I'm not being very inventive thinking of weaponry names. It should, though, follow the same mould as Chrono Trigger, that is, the first few swords and bows named for material – though not too many of these, for these are RPG cliché standard - the gun a fantastical description of its operation, the later swords descriptive of what they are/possess (ie. Rune Blade). Etc. etc. but coming in the end to the mythical ones. The problem with having mythical swords, and I don’t mean with mythical connotations like Siren or Valkyrie, but swords that are actually from myth, like my suggestion Durandal, is that there are probably a lot of RPGs that do this, for which I think they should be stayed away from. For mythical, it should be a mythical reference.

Now, I'm just going to toss a few out I thought of yesterday. I'm not guaranteeing any will be good, though. I’m not feeling all that creative for some reason. Usually ideas for such a thing like this would come to me no problem.

Marle:

FarShooter (this would be a mythical one, as 'Far-Shooter' was the epithet of the archer Apollo)
Apollon (just a bow named after Apollo, like Valkyrie and Siren were mythical)
Ash Bow
Yew Bow (yew, for certain, is a good bow material, and would make a good starter weapon)
Alexandros (ie. Paris, for he was an archer)
Paris' Bow (I think everyone knows this one)
Pandaurus (A famous archer for the Trojans)
Fairy Bow/Fay Arrow (with fairy/fay meaning the same thing)
Ivory Bow (Ivory could perhaps be used in composite bows)
Skadi'sBow (Not sure if Skadi would have used a bow, but she was a giant in Norse myth, the daughter of the ice-god Thiassi, thus connecting her to Marle)
Ishtar (A warrior goddess of the old Babylonians – not of the Sumerians, though, they named her Inanna – and a moon-goddess. I’ve always thought it has an interesting sound. It may not have much to do with bows, but then again, neither does Valkyrie or Siren.)

Lucca:

Flintlock (simple, realistic, and antiquated. Good for a 'first' weapon.)
QuantaShot (Quanta being a small unit in Greek I think, and also having scientific connotations.)
Blaster (A normal laser gun? I don’t know, this is another lame one, I think.)
Snipe Shot (Snipe’s are hard birds to hit, so perhaps this increases the chance of a critical hit, or speed?)

Glenn:

Falchion (A type of one-edge sword)
Sarissa (I saw this in Age of Mythology, but I knew the name before. This was a small Hoplite sword.)
ArmingEdge (An arming sword was usually the smaller sword a knight carried, also called a Short Sword – but arming sword sounds far better.)
Durandal (I first heard this name in Xenosaga, but there it was used as the name of a ship. It is in truth the sword of the hero Roland which, I read recently, was said to have itself been before that the sword of Hektor of Troy.)
Gilt Sword (ie. Gilt means it has gold layered onto it.)
Gram (Famous sword from Norse legend.)
DwarfSword (In all northern traditions, Dwarves fashioned spectacular weaponry. Now, we know for a fact that there are Dwarves in the Chrono world, so I think a DwarfSword may be fitting.)


Magus (I was going to suggest Kronian Sickle, but there isn’t enough room.):
Hell Scythe (A very lame idea, I know, but I’m not thinking too well, as I said.)
Eclipse (Another lame one)
Thanatos (ie. The Grim Reaper of Greek myth.)
Erebos (the Darkness in Greek Myth, a primeival deity sprung from Chaos.)
Hades’Fury (Yet another lame one. For Janus’ weapons, one must be careful not to make them over-wrought. Then again, DoomSickle isn’t exactly a subtle name, either.)
FellScythe (Fell, as in, perilous, merciless, and deadly.)
Reaper (Well… cliché, maybe, but one does reap with a scythe.)

Crono:
Jade Hilt (Jade was highly prized in the east. In China more-so, I think, but even so, I like this name.)
Truesilver (CC uses the term Mithril now and again for silver. Well, it’s slightly wrong, but not fully. Mithril is indeed called silver now and again in LOTR, but rather Truesilver. Thus this is essentially a Mithril Sword, but with a sneakier name.)

Like I said, I can’t think aright, I’m just throwing down ideas. It really bothers me as well, because I should be able to think up things like this in a heartbeat. But anyway, my favourite of the ones that I listed are:
Ash Bow, Yew Bow, Apollon, FarShooter, Fairy Bow, Ivory Bow, Ishtar Bow, Flintlock, QuantaShot, SnipeShot, ArmingEdge, Gilt Sword, DwarfSword, Erebos, Reaper, Jade Hilt, and Truesilver.

What do you think, Hadriel, ZeaLitY? I’ll try to think of some more and better – looking at the inventive names of the actual ones in CT daunts me, it seems my mind cannot think so creatively right now – but just consider these, as I think they are viable.

Oh, as an after-note, I finally got Temporal Flux working. The events are a pain to figure my way through, but I think I know how the maps and exits work now. I got Crono to teleport from his bedroom to Kajar, and the people in Kajar to say different things. I then went on to change some events, but I must have made it unstable, because Kajar loaded dark (I also tried having Magus join instead of Marle at the fair, but all I got was Marle claiming she was Magus: funny, but not the intended result.)

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« Reply #253 on: July 19, 2005, 03:52:30 pm »
Good initiative; if you'd like, http://www.chronocompendium.com/wiki/index.php?title=Creating_a_small_scene_between_NPCs is now complete. It gives examples of making simple NPCs, if you wish to learn.

I like the names thus far. Yew Bow would be an excellent starter, and the introduction of more mythic names is proving interesting.

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« Reply #254 on: July 19, 2005, 04:37:22 pm »
If there was a physical shell filled with plasma, it would be much like an RPG launcher that launched plasma grenades, which incidentally is a weapon I came up with for Lucca.  The plasma gun in the original game purported that the projectile itself was made of the substance, which is erroneous.  Plasma itself would have a pathetic range, due to its natural state; it's gas that's been ionized by being heated to such temperatures that the electrons are stripped away, and such gas would not stay together.  In essence, a plasma gun would be more akin to shooting hot steam at someone.  

On Marle's weapons: Those are some pretty awesome names, and they're a lot better than anything I'd come up with.  What I'd thought of is a sort of "rail crossbow."  Admittedly, though, it'd be hard to best such a weapon, but it is quite likely that Chronopolis possesses such things.  There are only two issues with those names: Paris' Bow is unnecessary seeing as Alexandros is already present, and the Fairy Bow has the same name as the one used by Link in Ocarina of Time, which might piss some people off.  Ishtar could be replaced by something relating to time.

On Lucca's weapons: Because of the presence of Melchior and Belthasar in Chronopolis, Lucca will likely have some very heavy artillery such as high-powered sniper rifles even from the very start of the game.  As 2300 A.D. is clearly meant to be futuristic and obviously is three hundred years ahead of us, one would expect the technology to have advanced even beyond our already considerable firearm capabilities.  I do like the QuantaShot name, though.

On Glenn's weapons: In Scenario 8, the one that introduces the Vanguard and puts Glenn back on the team, Serran gets hold of the Masamune for a limited period of time.  When the team retrieves it, its power has been diluted from being in his hands.  This would allow for other weaponry such as that which you suggested, because Gram, Durandal, and a dwarven sword are just too good to pass up.  At the end, though, he would acquire a supremely powerful version of the Masamune.  This would make sense seeing as it's already the best weapon when you get it in Cross.

On Magus' weapons: Why not give them all mythological names?  Thanatos, Erebos, and such are good, but there are a bunch of mighty warriors and evil spirits out there.  Why not Astaroth, or some crazy war god from Japan?  

On Crono's weapons: I'd avoid using mithril, namely because every RPG and its grandma has that.  His weapons are mostly Eastern in their style, but that didn't stop them from making Masamune a broadsword.  He has to restock something after they go through the time warp that takes away all their awesome weapons from CT, and since he's in Chronopolis it's going to be something technological.   After that, we can move on to Jade Hilt and other things.