Frog's Curse And Magus

[Lithe]

My take on the Frog Spell has always been like this (going from the SNES version... I haven't taken the time to play through the PSX version).

Frog stays a frog if you let Magus join your party, at least as far as the ending shows.  I just assumed Magus didn't care enough to even think of undoing the spell.  And maybe Frog had too much pride to ask his former enemy to do so.

BUT if you kill Magus, he realizes that he is no longer going to be able to defeat Lavos himself.  So he sets up that whole deal, where Frog will return to normal if Lavos is defeated.  Basically, he was trying to give an incentive for the defeat of Lavos... that Magus, crafty and manipulative to the end.

[Radical Dreamer]

If you get the 'good' or 'true' ending, Magus is far from dead.  It's possible that as we see Magus taking off in the skies of 12,000 BC that he simply reverses the spell.  How he does this is beyond my knowledge.  Magus leaves in the game on an abrupt note; no goodbyes, just a turn of the head and a solemn journey into the time portal.

In one universe, Magus died and the spell was removed.
In anoter (the "good" ending if you'd like to call it - Radical Dreamer's universe), Magus has reversed the spell (I belive you reffering to this universe).
Though there are infinite universes and possiblities.

Magus' quest was far from over.
His search for Schala has only began.

Or... Magus has figured out a way to teleport himself into different time periods without the use of the Epoch.

Actually, he did.
How exactly he managed to travel through time, is unknown.
But hey, he was the one who also manage to summon lavos....
His magic is powerful, no doubts about that.

The Epoch itself was destroyed by colliding with Lavos' shell.
(Again, I'm focusing in 'Radical Dreamers' universe).

It must be just a cliché, but maybe the Glenn from CC is the Glenn from CT? :unsure:

No. ^_^

[Sentenal]

I don't believe Radical Dreamers is canon.  As to the fate of the Epoch, it is not certain that you crash through Lavos.  You could have used the bucket.  You could have used the Black Omen.

And your comment about universes being created and such, and are infiniate.  I assume your talking about dimensions here.  We do not know what causes dimension to be created.  We do know (from Miguel) that every choice and action you make creates one timeline, and destroys countless others.  I don't believe there is an existing timeline where you killed Magus.

And I have no idea why Frog changes back to a person if you killed Magus...

[SilentMartyr]

Trying to explain how that magic works is a little beyond our grasp. But if I had to I would say that it was Magus giving Frog a reward for killing Lavos. Basically what Lithe said.

[Shadow_Dragon]

I just thought of this now; maybe the curse was fueled by Frog's need for revenge, and that by the end he finally forgives Magus, thus lifting the curse?
Although I haven't seen from the scene, it seems as if it's self-reflective, which makes me think that Frog no longer hates Magus, rather than Magus randomly deciding to lift the curse

wait.. maybe I was thinking wrongly, does it only show the scene with Frog turning back into Glenn if you kill Magus?

[Eggith Cyrene]

Yes Glenn will regain his human form IF he defeats Magus Outside the LAst Village in 12,000 BC. At the  end of the game however

[Shadow_Dragon]

ok, then, it might just be that Frog finally realized Magus' motivation (even though he was dead) and forgave him

[Lazarus Plus]

Am I the only one who always names Frog, "Glenn"?

I hate how derogative that name is. I wish we could have changed him back in the course of the game itself, but alas, was not to be.

[Daniel Krispin]

Am I the only one who always names Frog, "Glenn"?

I hate how derogative that name is. I wish we could have changed him back in the course of the game itself, but alas, was not to be.

Nope. I don't think he's ever been 'Frog' for me; the first time was Finwe, and after that... I cannot remember. I would likely do Glenn were I to play it again, in the same way I'd use Janus over Magus - a name rather than a title. I never use Robo either. In the game I always used Meche, and outside of it - if anyone has ever noticed - I use the same convention for he and Glenn: I usually say THE Robot, or THE Frog, not wishing to use those as proper names.

[Sentenal]

I always named Robo R66-Y  But I dont think the name Frog is a bad name.  It suits him.

[Shadow_Dragon]

I've never named characters out of their original names, except for playing a game like Zelda on someone else's memory so that the filename is recognizable, and for when I played pokemon, when I would use the same name, but only capitalize the first letter (if you didn't do anything the entire name would be capitalized)

[V_Translanka]

I hate how derogative that name is. I wish we could have changed him back in the course of the game itself, but alas, was not to be.

Uh, but you can change it to Glenn later on using the Nu in 65,000,000BC's Laruba Ruins. At least...I think I've got that village's name right...I sometimes get those confused...

Personally, their names mostly fit...Robo can't be R66-Y because the party says it doesn't fit (or at least Marle does)...So, I guess you could as a slam against Marle...

Marle can't be Nadia because she's hiding out and not telling her name yet...afterwards, it would be alright to change her name to Nadia, I think...

Frog too doesn't make sense to immediately call him Glenn because he says "Frog will do" because Lucca was calling him that. Afterwards it makes sense to change his name to Glenn though.

Magus though, I think, is the exception to that rule. I don't think it really makes sense to keep on calling him Magus unless you believe that's his own personal choice. I think after hearing his story on the Cape, he should be called Janus.

As for the curse...I think that it still goes on until Magus is seperated from Frog temporally, ie the gates are shut so Magus has no connection to Frog, thusly, the curse is lifted whether or not Magus is slain. That's my take on it anyways...

[Radical_Dreamer]

Personally, I think Frog is fitting from "Frog will do" till "Mine name is Glenn", at which point he's Glenn again, as far as I'm concerned. That is when he is redeemed.

[V_Translanka]

I just think it doesn't make sense for the party to continue calling him Frog after he tells you his past (w/Cyrus). Or wait, was all of that just him thinking? I don't recall...Does he tell you his name there? w/e

[Shadow_Dragon]

When I think about it, yeah, Frog seems derrogatory (like Lucca or whoever called Glenn Frog first), but after a while it just fits as his name, and there's nothing really derrogatory meant if you say someone's accepted name