Harle's Fate

[Prozacka]

Sup guys, how's it going?

After finishing the game and going on a ridiculous information binge, I've been left with a question that everyone seems confused about: the topic title.

What happened to Harle? Did she die when you defeated the Time Devourer? One of the endings (for sure) and NewGame+ (or so I heard) state otherwise, with the Dragon God appearing alongside Harle--not as two in one--and with you able to recruit her with the Dragon God roaming around.

One is non-canon, and the other may also be, so I'm still left wondering what happened to Harle? Did she really become a part of the Dragon's Final Form(tm) or what? I think (because Harle is so very, very French) that she simply fled.

A serious discussion would be nice.

[FaustWolf]

Welcome to the Compendium! Good point about Harle and the unified Dragon God existing side-by-side, I hadn't thought about that one for awhile. Have you tried looking for a Youtube vid of the ending in question? If one is out there, it might help further discussion.

In any case, I shall have to ponder this.

[Schala Zeal]

As a matter of fact, Harle will be the main antagonist of Chrono Flux, returning as a dark sorceress named Advisor Zeal. Her harlequin disguise has long been shed but her trademark accent is still noticeable:

http://www.chronocompendium.com/Forums/index.php/topic,5581.0.html

[Schala Zeal]

Also, Advisor Zeal will be Schala's identical clone, and she will be more determined than ever to accomplish her fate: remerging with the Time Devourer and going so far as to extract it from the void of nothingness to do so.

[Prozacka]

For some reason I don't really like that idea.

It's entirely plausible, has basis in certain facts (such as how she was created for manipulation), but I much prefer a different fate for her. Personal preference.

Anyways, Faust, it was actually the Total War ending where the demi-humans met with the Dragon-God and the Dwarves. The part I refer to is where it cuts to when the humans are driven out, and Harle is seen walking around in Arhni (costume and all) before she goes to Serge's grave to place a flower.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=33FctyXHXDg

There it is.

[FaustWolf]

Thank you Prozacka! That ending was so simple yet chalk-full of meaning that it almost brought a tear to my eye.

At first I would have argued that the Dragon God might have separated once again to release Harle from itself and that could explain her appearance, but the fact that the Dwarves refer to the Dragon God would imply that the Dragon God is, indeed, still whole. Regardless of the canon...icity of the ending, it does provide some precedent for Harle not necessarily having to be absorbed into the unified Dragon God. Do you happen to know off-hand how far the story has progressed in New Game+ for this ending to occur? Is it just after the defeat of FATE but before retrieving the Frozen Flame from Terra Tower?

[Prozacka]

Yup, you got it on the money.

As much as this could be non-canon, I can also argue that Harle never needed to join with them in the first place because she was their construct, not their whole. Even before she existed they were supposedly one, so why must they absorb her?

[FaustWolf]

Darn good point. The Dragon God(s) generated Harle as their free-roaming agent while FATE was off-line in 1006 I believe. Thus, by your logic, Harle didn't even exist when the Dragon Gods were split into six. Why need a seventh Dragon God to complete one that only began as six?

[Prozacka]

Doesn't really help us understand what in God's name happened to her.

There's really not much left to understand. Either she merged and was killed by Serge (incredibly lame), ran off like a Frenchman (even lamer, but she's still alive), or she appeared somewhere after the game ends.

Of course, all speculation. I'll just stick with my ideas about her, unless you have some interesting input?

[Schala Zeal]

Well you know, there was a good deal of criticism when Chrono Cross came out. I suppose it's unavoidable with any game.

[Prozacka]

Good that you realize that. You can't take my opinion as anything more than a guy who doesn't like his sexy French lady being turned into an unfair bad guy. Makes me feel bad for liking her.

[Schala Zeal]

Good that you realize that. You can't take my opinion as anything more than a guy who doesn't like his sexy French lady being turned into an unfair bad guy. Makes me feel bad for liking her.

I like a lot of villains. It's nothing to be ashamed of. Just look at my RP character list in the general thread.

[ZealKnight]

Actually didn't Harle die when giving the frozen flame to the Dragon God. And I remember making a topic once where Zeality answered me saying that Harle was made by six the dragon gods to get a hold of the frozen flame. She really has no reason to fuse with them. I do remember a topic where we talked about the connection between her and the moon.

[VincentGAU8]

Actually didn't Harle die when giving the frozen flame to the Dragon God. And I remember making a topic once where Zeality answered me saying that Harle was made by six the dragon gods to get a hold of the frozen flame. She really has no reason to fuse with them. I do remember a topic where we talked about the connection between her and the moon.

Probably she had to fuse by necessity or design, whatever her true intentions were...

[Dark Serge]

Well her mission was kinda done, and being a simple clone she really had no other point in life. Perhaps she showed interest in Serge (though it was very hard for me to understand what exactly she wanted. It seemed like she was in love with Serge but then again it didn't.) As we all saw in the end she is definitely not on Serge's, nor Lynx' side. I presume she merged with the Dragon God after all. Or she just disappeared in thin air because she had no purpose anymore. Maybe the Dragon God made her vanish.

And yeah it is possible to get Harle using NG+, but that's a glitch, or maybe an easter egg. It's not canon anyway.