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« Reply #15 on: June 16, 2005, 06:40:22 pm »
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However, if there are big advanced races out there like Starky's people, how did they not stumble on the Time Devourer before Belthaesar did?  Wouldn't they understand Time Travel if puny humans could?  And if so, why wouldn't they have done anything about it?  Unless Starky was maybe a part of Project Kid, and Belthaesar's been working with alien races!  Hmmmm, mayhaps a bit far-fetched...


I think it would be a misconception to think that simply because a race is more advanced than another, the lesser cannot think or reason as deeply, or understand things that even the more advanced cannot. Time-travel is a highly advanced technology, and is, in a word, nearly impossible in the Chrono Universe. In fact, I would think that there is no technological time-travel: all instances are brought about by magical means, or by the hand of one who is great in sorcerous ways. It may simply be that there is no physical, only a spiritual, way of perfecting such a thing. Starky, however, has no innate magical abilities: he may use elements, but that is a far cry from truly having a mastery of magic. Thus no matter how advanced he or his species is, they may simply not have the ability to time-travel ever. The same might be said for dimension-crossing. It may require so much power and energy that, if it is possible for them, even they have not advanced so far, and only magic can do it. Thus, in a strange twist, a less advanced culture is capable of things that a more advanced one can only dream of. It would then be impossible for Starky's people to have foreknowledge of the Time Devourer, having no prophets as the Chrono world has.

In a sense, then, Starky's is one of full technology, maybe, but no magic, not much spirit. It limits them to what they can achieve to the physical, to the here and now and the tangable. The Chrono world, however, is a mystical one, far more unbounded. After all, comparing say, our level of technology with a fantasy one does not always make the fantasy one pale.

However, I much like this theory. ZeaLitY, Hadriel: Any chance of incorporating this into Crimson Echoes? Just a cameo, maybe, of another such scouting expedition, or hints that Lavos has other enemies in this universe. Perhaps a race seeking redress for a past wrong, others after vengeance, etc.

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« Reply #16 on: June 17, 2005, 01:51:41 pm »
Here is Starky's fortune :
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My word!
You are fated to
make a grave choice.
Whatever will be selected
will be decided from the
actions of those around you.

I don't really know what the fortune teller is talking about.

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« Reply #17 on: June 17, 2005, 03:08:14 pm »
Maybe it is indeed his word that the invasion depends on. If by his companion's actions he sees no need for the earth to be invaded, then it is spared.

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« Reply #18 on: June 17, 2005, 04:16:42 pm »
I agree, that sounds like it goes in tuen with the invasion being based on the group destroying the TD or not.

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« Reply #19 on: June 19, 2005, 12:01:04 am »
I doubt even if Starky's people were going to blow up the earth because of Lavos, or just because they deemed it worthless, that they actually carried it out, because unless they did it after the year 2400, Chronopolis was still built, and before Crono killed Lavos, the post-Apocolypse 2300 existed. But there wasn't any indication that the earth lives after 2400, but not really any indication that it was distroyed either.

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« Reply #20 on: June 19, 2005, 02:58:30 pm »
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I doubt even if Starky's people were going to blow up the earth because of Lavos, or just because they deemed it worthless, that they actually carried it out, because unless they did it after the year 2400, Chronopolis was still built, and before Crono killed Lavos, the post-Apocolypse 2300 existed. But there wasn't any indication that the earth lives after 2400, but not really any indication that it was distroyed either.


Isn't Starky's ship crashed in the sea?  In the original timeline, he was probably killed by drowning way out in the sea and could never report back to his people.  In the new timeline, he survives because El Nido is now there; he's no longer dropped hundreds of miles from land.  So the possibility of destroying the earth to stop Lavos remains, until he teams up with the party and realizes Lavos is destroyed and they manage to defeat the Time Devourer.

Of course, this is all just speculation.

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« Reply #21 on: June 19, 2005, 03:18:38 pm »
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I doubt even if Starky's people were going to blow up the earth because of Lavos, or just because they deemed it worthless, that they actually carried it out, because unless they did it after the year 2400, Chronopolis was still built, and before Crono killed Lavos, the post-Apocolypse 2300 existed. But there wasn't any indication that the earth lives after 2400, but not really any indication that it was distroyed either.


Isn't Starky's ship crashed in the sea?  In the original timeline, he was probably killed by drowning way out in the sea and could never report back to his people.  In the new timeline, he survives because El Nido is now there; he's no longer dropped hundreds of miles from land.  So the possibility of destroying the earth to stop Lavos remains, until he teams up with the party and realizes Lavos is destroyed and they manage to defeat the Time Devourer.

Of course, this is all just speculation.

Maybe, in the original timeline, he never crashed at all, but in Another World, he could have crashed because of Schala's magnetic storm.

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« Reply #22 on: June 19, 2005, 03:52:25 pm »
The exact dialogue of the aliens is

Well...?
What have youu concluded?

The creeatures on this
planet are rank K...
Noo uunique substance can
bee deetected in the liquid...
Wee must contact the mother ship
and beegin our attack at once...

Noo, there is noo neeed to rush.
Let us waait foor our comrade, who
has preeceeeded us, to maake contact.
Hee should bee traveling with
the loocals of this planet.
It will not bee too laate if
wee waait until then.

Understood...
Wee have all the
tiime in the world.

Noona-Noona...!!!

Nani-Nani...!!!

Pretty enigmatic and contradicting.

There is no unique substance...so they must attack?!

It will not be too late if they wait for Starky...yet they have all the time in the world?

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« Reply #23 on: June 19, 2005, 07:21:42 pm »
The fortune teller hints that Starky will be able to choose if the world is saved.

My word!
You are fated to
make a grave choice.
Whatever will be selected
will be decided from the
actions of those around you.

I still don't want to accept this as Chrono series canon, though. Even though the ending states that his buddies are there to pick him up in the Chrono Cross ending.

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« Reply #24 on: June 23, 2005, 02:50:09 pm »
I've never heard anything more about Starky. He's just a plot device, a character that is required to have to get to Terra Tower.

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« Reply #25 on: June 23, 2005, 05:35:25 pm »
An observation I made shortly after my first run in with Starky:

"Wait a second.... Is it just me, or does this thing look like a more childish version of the Lavos core (Lavos' true form)?"

I hold that, Lavos was one of the species that they had altered to be a supreme biological weapon, with the basic desire to achieve 'ultimate evolution.' If he had escaped from them in an unfinished state, (to be incomplete in the way of 'training' so that it may obey rather than run wild, or otherwise be uncontrollable by its creators), then it would obviously go all crazy like it did, with the whole "killing the planet" and "destroying the future" and "consuming all space and time," and all that jazz.

It's also possible, as a slight variation, that he was created from scratch, rather than mutated. The alien species would have long accepted their form as 'normal' and would have most likely created Lavos to look similar.

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« Reply #26 on: August 30, 2005, 08:47:50 pm »
If you ask me, Starky had to be one of the most ridiculous, mis-placed person and/or thing in the game.

We're talking about preserving time and space, and Squaresoft wanted to throw little blue Martians in the mix? What WERE they thinking?!

I think that Starky wasn't meant to be anymore than a jab at the already stale ideas of extraterrestrials and parodying extraterrestrials.

And for that matter, Starky should have been more of a side character.

Belthasar could've just as easily given you a hover device for your boat just as Starky did.

Although, Ybrik Metaknight's idea is interesting, that Starky was actually there as a Lavos exterminator. Still, if that was the case, you'd think they would've made Starky a little bit more intimidating. He doesn't seem like a battle-hardened soldier or galactic police-man, if you ask me.

Starky's whole character is just one tiny, little joke.

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« Reply #27 on: August 30, 2005, 09:23:13 pm »
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you'd think they would've made Starky a little bit more intimidating. He doesn't seem like a battle-hardened soldier or galactic police-man, if you ask me.


Do you not remember his Techs?

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« Reply #28 on: August 31, 2005, 01:35:19 am »
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you'd think they would've made Starky a little bit more intimidating. He doesn't seem like a battle-hardened soldier or galactic police-man, if you ask me.


Do you not remember his Techs?

Yes...the giant tongue-in-cheek style robot, reminiscent of Voltron.

So, he has a giant robot he can call on; he's still not necessarily a soldier or law enforcer.

I'm still not convinced Starky is there to stop Lavos. He just wants to get back to his home planet, and only crashed on Earth by chance.

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« Reply #29 on: August 31, 2005, 03:18:13 am »
I was really just pointing out that if nothing else, his Techs are intimidating...