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Re: One simple reason why time travel doesn't make sense
« Reply #15 on: July 24, 2008, 01:17:15 pm »
Maybe not. The gate sucked everyone into it, so one would presume that upon existing the gate they would have momentum. Therefore, the place where Ayla found them need not be the same place as where the gate opened.

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Re: One simple reason why time travel doesn't make sense
« Reply #16 on: July 24, 2008, 01:44:44 pm »
Maybe not. The gate sucked everyone into it, so one would presume that upon existing the gate they would have momentum. Therefore, the place where Ayla found them need not be the same place as where the gate opened.
Ah, I think you are misunderstanding my supposition, then. What I am stating is that gates must remain static if anything is to pass through. If the gates move during transcension(in any way-implying that movement is not only possible, but in flux) then that would be bad, regardless of how you look at it, the matter/energy structure would not come out the same as when it went in :shock:(not a good scenario; id est time and space coordinates must be locked throughout the transition).
Moving on to what you describing now; the momentum(a result of energy) and mass(a weird conundrum of matter) would be the same leaving as entering.

And now for another disjointed topic brought up earlier:
Next, the gates. The gates are just that-gates, they take up no space. Kind of like asking how much dirt is in a 3'x3'x6' hole. However, if in the off-case an end to a gate is, say... in a mountain. There would be no way to exit the gate, and therefore, no way to enter it either.
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Re: One simple reason why time travel doesn't make sense
« Reply #17 on: July 24, 2008, 03:25:25 pm »
I have an idea to explain how Magus's gate worked, since it seems to be a 1 way gate, or a 1 time gate...somehow.  It also explains how the Gurus got sent to their time periods.  We know that in nature that things travel along the path of least resistance.  If you look at a picture of lightning you will see that it does not travel in a straight line, but it zig zags.  It does that because if follows the path of least resistance through the air (and at a ridiculously fast rate too).  The one time gates that sucked up the Gurus and the people at Magus's castle didn't have a counter gate (that's what I'm going to refer to as the gate you'll return through).

Take the gate at Leene's square in 1000 AD and you'll end up in the canyon that was there in 600 AD.  That canyon gate is the return gate, because you can go through it again and end up in Leene square.  We all know how the Guru of Time ends up at the End of Time, the place of least resistance when 4 or more people from the same time period enter a gate.  So my idea is that when there is no return gate then you get deposited at a timeline of least resistance.  The gates, which allow for travel through time, probably weakened the uniformity and stability of the timeline (if the timeline were to be represented by a piece of bread, then a gate from one time to another would be like a tiny tunnel going through that piece of bread).  Therefore those weakened points would be the easiest locations for a person traveling through time to end up.

Either the Entity determined where the Gurus would end up (giving it some insane foresight...and hindsight in order to save itself) or their locations were arbitrarily determined by nature.  It makes more sense that it would be nature since we're already told about the path of least existence to explain why your party ends up at the End of Time to begin with.

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Re: One simple reason why time travel doesn't make sense
« Reply #18 on: July 25, 2008, 01:21:08 am »
If the gates move during transcension(in any way-implying that movement is not only possible, but in flux) then that would be bad, regardless of how you look at it, the matter/energy structure would not come out the same as when it went in :shock:(not a good scenario; id est time and space coordinates must be locked throughout the transition).
Moving on to what you describing now; the momentum(a result of energy) and mass(a weird conundrum of matter) would be the same leaving as entering.

You are implying that ordinary time stops while Crono and Co. are traveling by the Gate through time?
Gates also travel through time, but will remain where and when they are when somebody uses them?
I'm not sure I get that.. :?

Either the Entity determined where the Gurus would end up (giving it some insane foresight...and hindsight in order to save itself) or their locations were arbitrarily determined by nature.  It makes more sense that it would be nature since we're already told about the path of least existence to explain why your party ends up at the End of Time to begin with.

Well, the Entity is a rather clean solution to such problems.  But i don't think that it (the Gates) can be naturally determined.. That would have meant that the Spacetime order in the Chronoverse would be way different from ours..

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Re: One simple reason why time travel doesn't make sense
« Reply #19 on: July 25, 2008, 10:49:05 am »
Well, the Entity is a rather clean solution to such problems.  But i don't think that it (the Gates) can be naturally determined.. That would have meant that the Spacetime order in the Chronoverse would be way different from ours..

Actually, all that would mean is that the "Spacetime order" in the Chronoverse fits with good/conventient story telling, rather than the Spacetime order shaping the story. ;)

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Re: One simple reason why time travel doesn't make sense
« Reply #20 on: July 27, 2008, 09:58:08 pm »
Well, the Entity is a rather clean solution to such problems.  But i don't think that it (the Gates) can be naturally determined.. That would have meant that the Spacetime order in the Chronoverse would be way different from ours..

Actually, all that would mean is that the "Spacetime order" in the Chronoverse fits with good/conventient story telling, rather than the Spacetime order shaping the story. ;)

That's one way to look at it...