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« Reply #30 on: February 22, 2006, 09:02:43 am »
I don`t really think that Crono`s luminaire, lvl99, all ** stats or his rainbow would help him much in getting out of the dead sea, if he ever went there...  :roll:

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« Reply #31 on: February 22, 2006, 06:38:45 pm »
And I can see Crono(Miguel) sacrificing himself to save his son (Serge)  He sacrificed himself before to save his friends.

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« Reply #32 on: February 22, 2006, 07:09:40 pm »
Miguel isn't Serge's father -_- Wazuki is.

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« Reply #33 on: February 22, 2006, 09:35:23 pm »
Seriously now, this discussion is becoming weird...

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« Reply #34 on: February 23, 2006, 06:46:21 pm »
Says the guy who tried to claim Schala was Crono's father.

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« Reply #35 on: February 24, 2006, 09:12:02 am »
Simply put why would Crono not use his magic. Also since when did Crono talk? I mean in long long monologues. Leena is 16 during CC meaning she was born in 1004, 1 year before the fall of Guardia. That means Miguel was with her mother during 1003 or early 1004. Besides I doubt Crono would goto el nido to cheat on Marle.

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« Reply #36 on: February 24, 2006, 03:15:27 pm »
Zaper... Just no, we don't need to argue about your ideas about Crono's supposed death here...

The idea that Crono is Miguel is crazy.  They have simalarities, so what?  What the hell happend to his swordsmen ship?  Why would he use a fishing pole to nearly beat Serge to death rather than a Sword?  Where is his magic?  I'll pass on this theory, because its nearly as crazy as "Janus=Serge".

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« Reply #37 on: February 24, 2006, 06:34:31 pm »
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Zaper... Just no, we don't need to argue about your ideas about Crono's supposed death here...

The idea that Crono is Miguel is crazy.  They have simalarities, so what?  What the hell happend to his swordsmen ship?  Why would he use a fishing pole to nearly beat Serge to death rather than a Sword?  Where is his magic?  I'll pass on this theory, because its nearly as crazy as "Janus=Serge".


Haven't said anything about his death.
If you want me to, then fine.
Masato Kato already stated that Marle and Crono were involved in some "accident", which sounds pretty malicious to me.

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« Reply #38 on: February 24, 2006, 08:43:45 pm »
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Zaper... Just no, we don't need to argue about your ideas about Crono's supposed death here...

The idea that Crono is Miguel is crazy.  They have simalarities, so what?  What the hell happend to his swordsmen ship?  Why would he use a fishing pole to nearly beat Serge to death rather than a Sword?  Where is his magic?  I'll pass on this theory, because its nearly as crazy as "Janus=Serge".


Haven't said anything about his death.
If you want me to, then fine.
Masato Kato already stated that Marle and Crono were involved in some "accident", which sounds pretty malicious to me.

Not "accident", he said "incident".  Sometimes (more than others), I wish that Chrono Break would come out to answer our questions on this.

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« Reply #39 on: February 25, 2006, 10:08:39 am »
Why SHOULD Crono be involved in this whole thing? I mean, he's so obviously in Zenan (or was) that it's stupid to think otherwise.

Want proof? Lucca's Orphanege, 1015 AD. You can see a drawing of Crono and Marle there. Now, those kids are no older than 12 years. So, to sum it up:

1. The drawing hints that Crono and Marle remained alive, as the Kids coulden't remember someone they met so long ago, they would be too young. This could mean they're either in hiding and planning a rebellion of sorts, either Guardia is still somewhat soverign.

2. Crono COULD NOT BE MIGUEL, because he had to have stayed in the Dead Sea for ten years at least, and escort Wazuki and Serge to the Sea of Eden. Unless Crono can use some sort of astral projection power ( :roll: ), there is NO WAY HE COULD BE MIGUEL.

Besides, Crono is so powerful he could simply crush Serge in battle when Serge was at his current level of strength. Even with Holy Dragon Sword, Miguel clearly failed to kill Serge.

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« Reply #40 on: February 26, 2006, 03:01:35 am »
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Besides, Crono is so powerful he could simply crush Serge in battle when Serge was at his current level of strength. Even with Holy Dragon Sword, Miguel clearly failed to kill Serge.


Miguel is failed because it's plotwise. He has to be defeated. Same with Crono and Lavos. Lavos had to be defeated for the story to finish. Otherwise seeing from all the other evidence, Crono should have died too, but the game makers wanted him to win, so he did. No character is ever godlike, game makers don't do that.

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« Reply #41 on: February 26, 2006, 03:19:22 am »
Zaper, Crono and co were appearently able to kill Lavos.  Thats why they killed him.  Serge was able to defeat Miguel.  Thats why they defeated him.  If Serge was able to defeat Miguel, and Miguel=Crono, then Serge defeated someone who was able to defeat Lavos.  And we know Serge isn't that powerful.  Were not saying Crono is a god-like entity, were saying hes extremely powerful, and we got in game evidence to support it.

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« Reply #42 on: February 26, 2006, 06:49:32 am »
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Zaper, Crono and co were appearently able to kill Lavos.  Thats why they killed him.  Serge was able to defeat Miguel.  Thats why they defeated him.  If Serge was able to defeat Miguel, and Miguel=Crono, then Serge defeated someone who was able to defeat Lavos.  And we know Serge isn't that powerful.  Were not saying Crono is a god-like entity, were saying hes extremely powerful, and we got in game evidence to support it.


So, Lynx overpowered Lucca, later killed her (most likely), and Serge and co defeated the Time Devourer..

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« Reply #43 on: February 26, 2006, 11:37:00 am »
Wake up, Zaper, saying 'It's supposed to happan in the plot' ain't gonna help, because it's not actually PROOF. Miguel CAN kill Serge if you're not careful enough and Lavos can kill Crono and co if they're not cautious enough. We can guess the world will still go on.

Now, Lynx could overpower Lucca because he's got power from FATE to backup-With a power like Forever Zero and a partner like Harle, the two of them could easily overpower Lucca. Serge can kill the Time Devourer (And note it being a very hard boss, unless you've finished the game a second time), but then again the Time Devourer isn't matured. You can't put the unmatured (and possibly incomplete) Time Devourer in the same level as Lavos- Lavos had millions of years to absorb DNA and power AND mature. The Time Devourer had, in the most, 13000 years, more than a houndred time less than Lavos, and it was umature.

Put things in perspective of their power-Miguel, for all his might, failed to beat Serge and co, just as Lucca failed to beat Lynx and Harle, and just as Lavos failed to beat Crono and co because they were OUTPOWERED AND OUTMATCHED, and not because the plot demands it.

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« Reply #44 on: February 26, 2006, 02:13:13 pm »
Also, according "to the plot" Serge isn't supposed to be able to defeat the Time Devourer anyway, he's supposed to cast some song of life with the Chrono Cross...