Ah, if only
someone would create
an exhaustive and exhausting analysis of
Porre and Guardia, maybe then we could gather some insight on the matter.
>.>
<.<
Sorry, I'm being facetious.
Anywho, the interview you are referring to is the Game Pro interview, which you can find
here.
To quote the relevant section:
Actually, this is not explained in any of the games, but Porre had some kind of intervention or help originating outside of the original flow of history. But if I start to explain this, it will take me a long time to finish, so I'll stop myself here. (laughs) As it doesn't directly have anything to do with the story of Cross, we cut the details out of the game.
Intervention of help originating outside the original flow of history... that merely means something that happened after Marle first traveled back to 600AD is what eventually led to the rise of Porre.
While we can't figure out exactly what caused the Fall of Guardia or the Rise of Porre (which, mind you, might have have separate influences), we can make some good guesses.
In CC the Acacia Dragoons are based in El Nido. However, the islands only exist as a result of the Time Crash and Chronopolis. Therefore, in the timeline after CT but before the Time Crash, the Acacia Dragoons either didn't exist or they remained where they were (which is most likely in the Porre region). If that was the case, then with the existence of El Nido, a military-political organization would have been removed from the Porrean area, which would have created a power vacuum that Porre could have filled.
Of course, at the end of Chrono Trigger 600 AD is also a very different place and we don't totally see the effects of this. Before Chrono time traveled, Frog was never redeemed and he didn't defeat Magus. Afterwards, Frog stands as a hero in 600 AD. Confident in his abilities, having come to terms with his own doubts, and loved by Guardia. What did he do with the remainer of his life, I wonders? Interesting that the Acacia Dragoons were founded around 600AD as well.
Additionally, we aught not forget Belthasar's influence in the events of Chrono Cross. He planned (but not plotted) things to lead Serge to the Time Devourer. Porre and the Masamune played an important role in that. Given that Belthasar had a time machine, one might wonder if he purposely toyed with the nations in order to set things up for Serge.
Lucca says something to this regard near the end. That they no longer exist in this timeline.
True, but she only says that in Home World. Another World is another matter. The most probable reason Crono and Marle didn't help is that they were unaware (assuming that they were still alive and able to help). Belthasar wasn't really big on the whole disclosure thing.
So, what happened to all the above described events after CC Concludes? The dimensions never split apart when serge drowned. And Lynx probably would not exist. The orphanage will never burn, so Lucca will most likely survive the events.
If the fall of Guardia still happens then i could also assume that Crono and Marle would still be alive. As they were alive
before the end of Chrono Cross.
Whoa there, don't get in too much of a hurry. You are putting the cart before the horse, as it were. Would Serge even exist to be not-drowned?
Consider that El Nido exists because of the Time Crash. The Time Crash occured because of Belthasar's experiments in Chronopolis (and the other scientists there following in his footsteps after he left). Belthasar engineered Project Kid to save Schala. That project included the Time Crash. If Schala was saved, then Belthasar would have no reason to engineer Project Kid, so Chronopolis probably wouldn't have had the Time Crash happen, so it might not have been thrown into the past. If it didn't exist in the past, then El Nido wouldn't exist in the present. Thus, no physical location for Serge to inhabit and no chance for him to drown or not.
Of course, Chronopolis' appearance in 12,000 BC might be protected by Time Traveler Immunity (it is a strange occurance so we don't know for sure). If so, El Nido would have still existed and Serge could still exist for the opportunity to drown. Except he was poisoned by a Panther Demon, remember? With no Schala in the DBT, there would have been no storm to blow Wazuki and Miguel off course so they would have never arrived at Chronopolis and Serge would have probably died... unless Schala's attempts to reach Serge are also protected by TTI (again, we don't know).
If Serge does live because he touched the Frozen Flame, then Wazuki would still be corrupted and turned into Lynx and he would have still tried to drown Serge. Kid's time traveled into the past to save serge, which is probably protected by TTI, but her actions only had a 50/50 chance. Given that Serge still exists at the end of CC, we can assume he was saved. But if he lives, that had caused the ruined future to assert itself on the Sea of Eden. Thus, it seems likely that somehow the Day of Lavos returns to 1999 AD (unless the ruined future was caused by the TD, in which case the future remains saved).
Other than that, FATE probably behaved as normal so the "unified" dimension would look amazingly like Another World, only with Serge there (and Serge probably being under FATE's control, since he grows up using records of fate that function properly).
As the Fall of Guardia happened before the dimensions split, it probably still falls and Porre still rises to power.
Crono and Marle might be alive, but if they are dead then Chrono Trigger still has a point. They were never trying to save the future for themselves but for others. If that future is saved, CT has a point. For Lucca it probably depends on if Lynx killed her in the first place. If so, she's probably still dead in the new timeline. If not, then she's probably alive.
Anyway, I hope a nice discussion on this could start. I couldn't find another thread on this topic, after the events of Chrono Cross.
Well for the Fall of Guardia and the Rise of Porre, you might have better luck in the History, Locations, and Artifacts forum. But there has been almost no discussion on the CT cast after Chrono Cross because no one really knows anything. It is all guesswork.
Personally I'm a firm believer of the Dalton theory. Even though he disappeared in a "Golem" portal, we have no clue where the Golems come from, and he may have found his way to the present time. It also matches perfectly with the statement "Outside normal flow of time". Ofcourse he heard about Chrono and Marle's wedding and wanted revenge.
That really isn't a theory. It is more of a random idea that wont die.
Here are some problems with that "theory":
1. Dalton has no known way of getting to the “modern era,” either 600AD, 1000AD, or anything of the sort.
2. Dalton has no known charisma. Even if he reached the modern era, who would listen to him and put him in a position of power?
2a. Dalton can use magic, however. This could be used to impress individuals and build a power base.
3. Dalton was repeatedly defeated by Crono & Co. Causing the Fall of Guardia would have broken his loosing streak.
4. Crono & Co defeated Dalton several times before. Even if Dalton attempted to cause the Fall of Guardia, they could have easily stopped him.
5. Dalton is not himself an unusually intelligent individual. He was sucked into his own gate. He lacks the understanding, knowledge, and finesse needed to bring about the downfall of Guardia or to engineer the Rise of Porre.
The only thing that Dalton has going for him is he might not be dead; indeed, we might say that he is only mostly-dead. There is a slight chance he is alive, but you're better off going through his clothes and look for loose change. But other than maybe,
maybe, being alive in 12000 BC, there is no known way to connect him to 1005 AD.
CT is not realistic. I don't believe Square was going for realism when creating CT.
Also, what would the Frozen Flame be doing in Guardia? We know it's not there in 1000 AD.
Different Frozen Flame. The FF in Radical Dreamers is not the same FF in Chrono Cross. Therefore, we do not know that "it's not there in 1000 AD."
