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The Big Bang Machine???
« Reply #15 on: September 13, 2008, 07:46:38 pm »
From what I have heard (by the way, this was the only thread that I saw that suggested posting topics such as this), humanity has created a machine that is supposed to eventually replicate the big bang theory. It's on the Swiss-French boarder, I think....if I remember the news.

But this machine seems a little to knocked up. By smashing unstable protons together, who is to say nothing will go wrong? Unlike the genious who decided to do this, I disagree with this tomfoolery! My, with a chance of destroying the world as we know it, that machine should be turned to scrap-metal! Don't you agree?

And besides. What do they expect to learn from this? Even if they can recreate such a phenominon, it is still a theory no matter what. It's only replicating a possible theory. What is next, replicating the dinosaur extinction? *laughs*

Do discuss this matter, for it provide much to discuss.

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Re: The Big Bang Machine???
« Reply #16 on: September 13, 2008, 08:21:25 pm »

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Re: The Big Bang Machine???
« Reply #17 on: September 13, 2008, 09:28:10 pm »
Oh my. Might I ask who's filling your mind with such nonsense. Humans are not capable of curing AIDS. What the hell makes you think they can create another universe?

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Re: The Big Bang Machine???
« Reply #18 on: September 13, 2008, 09:36:38 pm »
Oh my. Might I ask who's filling your mind with such nonsense. Humans are not capable of curing AIDS. What the hell makes you think they can create another universe?

We can't do anything. Humans DESTROY thing we don't create then...

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Re: LHC
« Reply #19 on: September 13, 2008, 09:37:56 pm »
Isn't that thing also supposed to prove the existence of the "God Particle"?

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Re: The Big Bang Machine???
« Reply #20 on: September 13, 2008, 09:45:16 pm »
*laughs loudly and foolheartedly*

I am loving this reaction. It's very expected. Especially that collage. Very creative use of emotion. *laughs more*

Nonsence? How so?

And I don't believe I mentioned another universe. Only a machine.

Ah! Here you go. Just a little article I found on it.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,418204,00.html





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Re: The Big Bang Machine???
« Reply #21 on: September 13, 2008, 10:27:27 pm »
The Big Bang was supposedly the creation of the universe. By replicating it, you create another universe. You say you expected these responses, yet you know not why they were given. If you want to play the "I'm smarter than you" game, go somewhere else with it.

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Re: The Big Bang Machine???
« Reply #22 on: September 13, 2008, 10:27:50 pm »
We've known about it for months, perhaps even years...

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Re: The Big Bang Machine???
« Reply #23 on: September 13, 2008, 10:30:10 pm »
*gives a look of confusion*

Why would I play smarter than anyone? My intelligence is only average. I know things, but I was only stating a possible predicament.

I mean, there are many possiblilities other than creating another universe. I do not wish to cause an uproar on my first day as a member of this forum, if you please. Perhaps a topic with such a threat should be closed!




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Re: The Big Bang Machine???
« Reply #24 on: September 13, 2008, 10:33:47 pm »
Laughing at the responses given can be misenterpreted as you looking down upon someone. I was only stating that you shouldn't say one thing and mean another.

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Re: The Big Bang Machine???
« Reply #25 on: September 13, 2008, 10:39:50 pm »
*chucklys heartily* Then I shall let you know now that whenever I laugh, it is an uplifting and friendly laugh. I never look down upon one being, no matter who they are.

Upon further inspection, I've configured this list of possiblilities:

1. Another small universe. Possibly controlled, possibly not.
2. An infinite source of energy. Of course, this can be good and bad. Think of the chaos this would cause between nations and such.
3. Absolutely nothing. Not even an understanding of the concept of this experiment.
4. A massive black hole, because the instablility of the protons or energy waves from the experiment.
5. Small black holes, by same possibly above.
6. Cloning God. I had to throw that out there. *chuckles*
7. Learning beyond comprehension. This could be bad anyway. Just think about it.
8. The religious people on rampage due to the "truth". If it is "truth".
9. Possibly a machine malfuntion. That's alot of stress it's taking on.
10. Massive explosion because of the energy.
11. Paradox?
12. A new theory.

Of course, I'm still thinking of more possibilities.

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Re: LHC
« Reply #26 on: September 13, 2008, 11:14:08 pm »
"Higgs Bosons," and maybe. They are hoping to find evidence of them, but I don't think the experiments are set up to prove definitively that they don't exist if they get negative results.

I'm still trying to wrap my mind around Higgs Bosons. Crazy stuff.

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Re: The Big Bang Machine???
« Reply #27 on: September 14, 2008, 12:10:26 am »
Or the most Likely is a documented event of something similure to the "slit hole experiment" Hell that alone will shoot us so far forward in advancement.

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Re: The Big Bang Machine???
« Reply #28 on: September 14, 2008, 12:13:23 am »
Oh, yes. That too. Of course, I'd still be careful if I were them.

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Re: The Big Bang Machine???
« Reply #29 on: September 14, 2008, 01:10:52 am »
Actually, from what I gather, the machine will cause the subatomic particles to be in a state that simulates the CONDITIONS following the Big Bang. Simulating the conditions does not equate with creating another universe or, for that matter, another big bang. Essentially, the moments after the Big Bang had particles not yet 'resolved' into their current subatomic state of protons, neutron, and electrons... these formed only after the universe cooled. As such, when they speak of recreating the conditions, they mean having the ability to look at the component parts of the particles as they were in the early stages, and, as such, the constituent parts of the words. I believe, from what I have heard, the intent in doing this is to have a better understanding of Higgs Particles (at least, so it said on the BBC article... read that, rather than Fox News), that is, the particles that are theoretically believed responsible for the effect we call 'mass.'

As I said, I believe you are confusing the idea of recreating the conditions. This does not mean they are attempting to recreate the Big Bang, so there is absolutely no chance of creating another universe. As for the Black Holes, from what I have heard they will likely be created, but they will be so small as to dissipate very quickly, or would take billions of years to reach any sort of dangerous size. Remember that a Black Hole is typically formed from the explosion of a supermassive star (ten or a hundred times the size or our sun) so the amount of matter contained in such a Hole is incredibly more than even if our whole planet became one... and certainly far more potent than that which would be created by the collision of subatomic particles. It must also be recalled that in high energy reactions that naturally occur in the atomosphere black holes such as this do continually form and dissipate (something I read in another article.) As such, the peril of this would be about the equivalent.

I, for one, am for this experiment. As limited as my understanding of advanced physics is, I think the naysayers are quite off base. It will not create a quasar within the earth, and it most certainly will not pose the danger of creating a Big Bang. As such, all these possibilities you mention are moot: you are assuming that they are trying to recreate the Big Bang, which they are not, and therein lies the root of your error.