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is chrono trigger better then radicel dreamers and chrono cross
« on: November 08, 2008, 03:53:07 pm »
Do you think chrono cross and radical dreamers live up to there first game chrono trigger because i think compared to chrono trigger chrono cross and radical dreamers is crap

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Re: is chrono trigger better then radicel dreamers and chrono cross
« Reply #1 on: November 08, 2008, 03:58:41 pm »
Strong words & hefty opinions...but where's your PROOF!?! :lol:...try to put more effort into your posts/threads, dude...Maybe a WHY might serve this particular thread better than just a simple "compared to  w/e it sux0rs!"

I don't really see the point in comparing them...They're both sequels with different themes & moods and should be judged on their own merit...Both are good games. I don't think they are as good as Chrono Trigger, but they aren't trying to be Chrono Trigger. They both accomplish things separately while still being within the series and I don't know if I could have asked for much more (besides another sequel of course!).

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Re: is chrono trigger better then radicel dreamers and chrono cross
« Reply #2 on: November 08, 2008, 06:32:55 pm »
Uhhh...you can't prove something that's subjective. Also, the parts of the team that mattered, Kato (story boarder) & Mitsuda (composer) did work on both sequels. Also...proof=/=CAPS (not to mention it makes your post awfully spammy)...And of course the plot won't be the same...if it was the same it would be the same story. Both sequels tie up a few of Trigger's loose ends...

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Re: is chrono trigger better then radicel dreamers and chrono cross
« Reply #3 on: November 08, 2008, 06:34:46 pm »
ITS BECAUSE U HALF TO READ GAMEZ U HALF TO READ SUCK DUHHHH!

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Re: is chrono trigger better then radicel dreamers and chrono cross
« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2008, 08:31:33 pm »
Chrono Cross was a fantastic game, but it lacked a lot of the spirit of Trigger and had a difficult to understand plot (having a plot you can talk about with others and find new things about on another play/readthrough is one thing, a lot of things in Cross plain don't make sense without the aid of supplemental materials, and half of the time they frustrate rather than give understanding) that didn't really resemble anything Trigger-like in mood or characterization or theme.

Even though Radical Dreamers was a very different game, being of the bizarre romance/horror text genre rather than an action/adventure RPG like the two Chronos, it had a more satisfying explanation, a more concise plot, and felt more like a Chrono game as far as theme and story went. It was funner, too!

If they make another addition to the Chrono franchise, I'd like it to be a remake of Cross tied more closely to its RD roots (or a remake of RD with less convoluted or unnecessary add-ons, if you want to think of it that way) if they can't resolve the problems of Cross in a way that doesn't add more new problems.


So in my own opinion, Trigger was good but is sometimes overrated, RD was good but unknown, and Cross was good but unable to truly escape its depth-less complication.

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Re: is chrono trigger better then radicel dreamers and chrono cross
« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2008, 01:31:52 am »
Well I haven't played RD.  But Chrono cross is my favorite to date.  I'm not sure why.  The more complicated plot might be part of it.  And the battle system.  I like that a lot better in CC.
« Last Edit: November 09, 2008, 01:33:44 am by Delta Dragon »

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Re: is chrono trigger better then radicel dreamers and chrono cross
« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2008, 03:04:03 am »
Well, for me, I played RD first, then CC, but haven't played CT through.
Surely each game should have its good points, or else we just won't want to talk them here(even to criticize).
Such kind of topics are quite common among some final fantasy forums. XD
« Last Edit: November 09, 2008, 03:14:11 am by utunnels »

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Re: is chrono trigger better then radicel dreamers and chrono cross
« Reply #7 on: November 09, 2008, 04:52:10 am »
For me, rpg's are more like a story-book, as opposed to other genres that may be more like movies. As far as story telling goes,  both RD and CC aren't as good as CT.  The plot is forcefully made 'complex' by using cryptic language, shoddy explanations for events that occur with minimal reasoning, or even efffective purpose. Basically, all the flaws that weaken the Xenosaga series compared to Xenogears.  Behind the flashy choice of words and graphics, you don't have much there, esp when you have some 40 odd playable characters with little tie in to the plot, and little effort to develop any kind of interest in them.  Least Xenosaga had the character development and interest.

 The flaw is how CC is a story that pretty much didn't happen – and to me, stories like that should be changed to be 'didn't happen' and just create something with events that actually matter and effect something. That's generally why I find alot of time-traveled based stories weak.  Example being comparing the difference between Star Treks' First Contant, and Star Trek Generations, or heck, several episodes of Voyager that ended up being simulations or fake Enterprise, or whatever.
Granted, the 1 thing that did 'happen' in CC is schala being 'freed' from Lavos, but I think that scenario is poorly created, that it should'nt have happened anyway, or at least could've been made alot better.  CC may have tied up a few loose ends, but I think their choice of ends to tie was fairly weak.

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Re: is chrono trigger better then radicel dreamers and chrono cross
« Reply #8 on: November 09, 2008, 09:09:09 am »
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For me, rpg's are more like a story-book, as opposed to other genres that may be more like movies. As far as story telling goes,  both RD and CC aren't as good as CT.  The plot is forcefully made 'complex' by using cryptic language, shoddy explanations for events that occur with minimal reasoning, or even efffective purpose. Basically, all the flaws that weaken the Xenosaga series compared to Xenogears.  Behind the flashy choice of words and graphics, you don't have much there, esp when you have some 40 odd playable characters with little tie in to the plot, and little effort to develop any kind of interest in them.  Least Xenosaga had the character development and interest.

None of that seems to be talking against RD, though, which DID have interesting & developed characters...Mostly Serge since technically he's the only playable character...

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That's generally why I find alot of time-traveled based stories weak.  Example being comparing the difference between Star Treks' First Contant, and Star Trek Generations...

Um, both of those movies have time travel in them to some extent...

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Re: is chrono trigger better then radicel dreamers and chrono cross
« Reply #9 on: November 09, 2008, 09:51:30 am »
Well some of it has to do with how the Japanese LOVE confusing plots.

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Re: is chrono trigger better then radicel dreamers and chrono cross
« Reply #10 on: November 09, 2008, 12:56:17 pm »
Example being comparing the difference between Star Treks' First Contant, and Star Trek Generations,
Which one are you saying is bad?  Or are you referring to both of them?

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Re: is chrono trigger better then radicel dreamers and chrono cross
« Reply #11 on: November 11, 2008, 03:32:32 am »
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None of that seems to be talking against RD, though, which DID have interesting & developed characters.
  Well, i certainly find the aspect of amnesia a much better path than being thrown to a void of nothingness, combining with a big bunch of nothingness, only to be able to consume everything to nothingness.  I do hold Rd in better regard than CC, especially by the title.  Dreaming is a reoccurring element in CT, and its nice that they tried to continue with that in the first try.

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Um, both of those movies have time travel in them to some extent...

Yea, which goes along with what I was saying about my dislike for weak time travel stories, or 'didn't really happen' stuff.  Now, i did mess up the analogy there.  See, First Contact is alot of 'right' and Generations was a lot of 'wrong'.  I tend to get caught up in my rants and assume people with hold similar regards to mine without proper clarification, esp in regards to voyager.  I lived in Las Vegas where they had the "star trek: experience" so while I don't follow trek much, I do end up hearing alot of opinions about it, which generally end up being negative associations to Generations and Voyager compared to the rest of the series and movies.  And after seeing them myself, I agree with those sentiments.

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Re: is chrono trigger better then radicel dreamers and chrono cross
« Reply #12 on: November 11, 2008, 04:56:06 am »
Yeah, I've heard that a before, I guess...I personally liked Generations, which had a great villain & served as a passing of the torch between the original series movies & the TNG movies, but thought First Contact was weak...Finally a Star Trek movie with the Borg and they barely even do anything after the first 15 minutes!? And nothing Star Trek was as lame as DS9...Enterprise got close, though...

And FUCK YEAH for somehow turning this into a Star Trek discussion! ^_^

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Re: is chrono trigger better then radicel dreamers and chrono cross
« Reply #13 on: November 11, 2008, 11:37:54 am »
Well, I'm taking a brief break from Star Trek to say this...

CT was a very memorable experience, it's hard to top.

CC & RD were however just as memorable in their own rights. That's what I feel the beauty is behind having them all be entirely seperate, having thin connections between them that still manage to entertwine their stories together.

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Re: is chrono trigger better then radicel dreamers and chrono cross
« Reply #14 on: November 11, 2008, 08:43:29 pm »
Yeah, I've heard that a before, I guess...I personally liked Generations, which had a great villain & served as a passing of the torch between the original series movies & the TNG movies, but thought First Contact was weak...Finally a Star Trek movie with the Borg and they barely even do anything after the first 15 minutes!? And nothing Star Trek was as lame as DS9...Enterprise got close, though...
Okay, you and I have opposite beliefs on Star trek.  DS9 is by far my favorite series.  It has probably the most character development, was the most unique series, they don't spend all there time going to every little planet, the Dominion is my favorite group of villains, and they actually have a continuing plot. And First contact is my favorite of the movies.