Chrono Trigger DS Analysis HQ (Spoiler Spoiler, of course)

[Magus_Brokenhart]

Sigh...Onwards with the understimation of Dalton. See what happened to Crono for thinking like you guys?

Dalton did not make it to Zeal's inner circle by some sort of miracle. He was obviously a force to be reckoned with. Dalton was the "force outside the flow of time" which was able to take down Guardia, a country that had been established for centuries, and had the support of Marle, and Crono, some of the best warriors of all time. No matter how he did it, really, it was quite an accomplishment.

Anyways, I just had this weird idea as I was dozing off. A half-awake dream. Wouldn't it be cool of Dalton was able to defeat Crono, with the help of Magus? Dalton found the memory-deficient Magus, recognized him as Janus, and took advantage of the situation. Would the help of Magus even the odds, and make Dalton's victory over the team a bit less shameful for you? >_>

[ryu planeswalker]

Porre didn't had a ferry to Medina, it was Truce.

Yes but didn't someone in the Porre ferry hut or snail shop mention them building a ferry to medina if you did the Ozzie Sidequest?

[Acacia Sgt]

It was the guy in the chief's hut in Medina, and it was Truce, not Porre.

[V_Translanka]

The name's Bandeau.
Here to build the ferry that's to service Medina and Truce.

He's in the Mystic elder's home.

[ryu planeswalker]

Oh Darn, I was gonna propose the Idea that Dalton captured Melchior and forced him to invent weapons for Porre which would explain the sudden advancement of its tech.

[V_Translanka]

What? Zealian Technology isn't advanced enough for ya?

[ryu planeswalker]

Well, Zealian Tech was Mostly Magical/Lavoid in nature Porre's Military seemed to be using Coal/Gas powered ships and Gunpowder based Munitions while Zeal was more advanced by far without Lavos or The Sun Stone behind the tech it wouldn't be all that useful.

[V_Translanka]

What about the elemental equipment or other items Zeal had available?

[ryu planeswalker]

I doubt that Dalton had much of that on hand when he got sucked into the GolemGate, he would have had to make it from scratch, which would have been easier with Melchior in lockup anyways.

[V_Translanka]

I was pointing out Zealian technology capabilities, not what Dalton had on his person.

[Zergplex]

There is a very basic reason why Crono could have lost to Dalton that all of you have ignored.

He's no longer the main character, so he doesn't have author's immunity to threats anymore... >.>

In all seriousness there was no mention of Crono's or Marle's OR Dalton's actions during the downfall of Guardia. Heck for all we know they could have been off using the Epoch to have a nice reunion with some friends, then they come home and the castles burned down. Indeed it's not very likely, but it does illustrate the fact that with our level of knowledge right now ANYTHING could have happened. Dalton could have killed them, or the crew might not have been around during it (sneak attack while they are away anyone?), or anything in between. Anyone who says without a doubt that Crono is dead because Dalton invaded is an idiot, and anyone who says without a doubt Crono could never be beaten by Dalton is also an idiot. We are not writing the story and we have very little information to work off of. We just can't know these things until they give us some more information somehow (from a new game, an interview, a remake, whatever).

[ZealKnight]

What if elements were invented by Luccia after the time Lucca spent with her.

Full Name: Luccia
Occupation: Scientific Genius
Origin: Zenan Mainland

She probably originated from Porre; the militaristic city became her main place of employment, as she worked with her brother, another scientific genius whose personal project was the creation of Grobyc. She met Luccia during her time on the mainland; the two exchanged notes and dialogue about a variety of subjects (Lucca even spoke to her of the Epoch). While Luccia remained stoic about most subjects when conversing with others, she took much pride and enthusiasm in her work, and jumped at opportunities to collect new data. Unfortunately, tragedy would strike her life three times.... 

.....Four years later, around 1015 A.D., Lynx and Harle burned Lucca's house to the ground. Fortunately, Lucca had left a letter with Luccia with instructions telling her to give the correspondence to Kid in 1020 A.D. The last tragic event to befall Luccia was the death of her brother in a lab explosion at Porre. Set by Norris to destroy the StrongArm and protect the world from a potentially dangerous Grobyc, it claimed her brother's life, though he was able to save Grobyc.

Dalton didn't build Gorbyc right? He's a super power machine. Luccia probably studied elements after seeing Lucca's magic. Elements count as weaponry. Why wouldn't the Porrians be able to have super tech before the war. And for the sake of all you who don't think Crono could die, lets say that the war was after Lucca's death. Crono never fought Dalton alone or even two on one, pretty challenging. And if you guys think that Dalton sucks why would Crono be afraid of him?

Grobyc is a bionic organism constructed in 994 A.D. at the military laboratories of Porre by Luccia's brother. While originally intended for other, perhaps more scientific purposes, Grobyc came to be outfitted for killing and warfare by the Porre overseers. Specifically, Porre excavations near ancient ruins found an old, incomplete superweapon called the StrongArm; high command commissioned Luccia's brother to repair it for use on Grobyc. Norris, the astute commander of the elite Black Wind, foresaw the danger of unleashing Grobyc upon the outside world with this weapon, and orchestrated a sabotage of the laboratory that resulted in its explosion. Luccia's brother sacrificed his life to save Grobyc; this set back his activation until 1020 A.D. and destroyed the StrongArm weapon.

He was even built before Chrono Trigger, meaning Dalton had nothing to do with his strength. But we come across the problem of who built the StrongArm. We find it Cronopolis finished, but is it as powerful as the one found in the excavation? I propose Melchior created it in Zeal a long time ago, Dalton recognized it and wanted it fixed. Norris prevented that but then the future rebuilt it and made it even more powerful, or at least as powerful.

Dalton didn't need to create weaponry. He had people to do it for him. He was just the guy who took over and wanted to attack. Gave the scientists orders to create weaponry, more specifically Luccia to create elements that work like his and Lucca's magic. Melchior (and Lucca, who was a mother that didn't need to create weapons anymore) didn't know in time to create a weapon for Gaurdia. Lucca was already dead and they didn't have weaponry as high tech as Porre. Crono and Marle probably didn't see them as a problem due to them having magic and a much larger army. But when Dalton showed their face the knew they could only survive if he killed him, but they died. But remember I don't think Lucca actually died before the war, that's just to shut you guys who don't Crono would lose up.

[chrono eric]

But wasn't there a quote in Cross about Grobyc being constructed from "ancient technology"? Perhaps I imagined that. Maybe somebody could go look it up as I am currently too lazy on a Saturday afternoon to do so?

I do seem to remember that, and I always took that to mean they studied Robo in Fiona's Shrine, which would appear "ancient" to someone in 994 AD and would account for the similarity between Robo and Grobyc's attacks.

[ZealKnight]

You may be thinking of the StrongArm. Which I posted already that it was ancient Tech and Gorbyc is still part human. And also I would be surprised if Luccia didn't study Robo. Lucca built that mini Robo. Why wouldn't other scientist look at it?

[V_Translanka]

The Elements in CC were founded by the Dragonians and come from specific "power spots" in El Nido, not creations of Luccia. Seems like the Porreans could have used them though, I think...*shrugs*