Chrono Trigger DS Analysis HQ (Spoiler Spoiler, of course)

[utunnels]

 
Don't you think Eclipse Magus ending is probably a patch created to make him out of loop in CC time line(s)?

[Shadow D. Darkman]

You saying the reason he's absent in CC is because he was in Time's Eclipse dealing with the Dream Devourer?

[utunnels]

Yeah, that is possible. Or perhaps he got amnesia, so he was out of loop in CC events. Or else, is there a good reason he just did't show up?

[Shadow D. Darkman]

IDK, the amnesia would support him being Guile.

[Eske]

lol just thought of something...   We never truly find out if Magus was killed or not in the original timeline by Lavos.  But wait... he has to be because:

1. We know his summoning technique works, so Lavos would have made its presence known.

2. TTI holds that if the original Magus time travelled like his counterpart did, that original Magus would have been the Zeal Prophet and would have had no knowledge of Crono and Co.

3. Furthermore, TB holds that all forms of Magus other than the one that originally time travelled will be destroyed by TB.

But here is the kicker:

Lavos cannot have a PD, or if it does, TTI cannot apply to it (defeating the purpose of a PD).
Why?
If Lavos had a PD, the original Magus's presence would have been preserved there by TTI, therefore our Magus would have been TB'ed either upon entering the giant gate, or very soon after.

Wait, what if Lavos pulled a 12000BC/1999AD and erupted from the ground and exited the pocket dimension (or something else unfounded)??

Nope,  12000BC, post Lavos's rising was covered mostly in water, so the effects of his eruption cannot be seen but in 2300AD we see that ground zero became Death Peak.  That was only 301 years later.  A similar mountain would exist in 1000AD, 400 years after a proposed rising.

So what happened?   Either Frog took care of Magus himself in the old timeline, or Lavos brought Magus to it "Ocean Palace" style.   (Robo mentions dimensional instability in the Ocean Palace and then the party suddenly appears before Lavos)

yep, that was a tangent.   

[V_Translanka]

I know it's hard to keep up when people aren't quoting everything for you and the relevance of one post to another is separated by a whole two other posts, but I believe in you, Shadow! YOU CAN DO IT!!

You do realize MY alleged penchant for making pointless posts is becoming true in YOUR behavior, right? In this case, it's a pointless add-on. A simple explanation as to why you were changing the subject would have sufficed. I know you're an ass sometimes, but ya gotta try to be a nice guy, and I believe in you on that, Trans. YOU CAN DO IT!!

[/offtopic]

Nah, it's apparent that "nice guy" doesn't work with you, Shadow, so I'm trying a different approach. Your post was pointless and I wasn't about to waste a post just to point that out like you would have. You also don't need to point out me doing that, just post better in the future.

Oh wait, I just thought of something. Magus wouldn't have to kill himself because he's already been killed by Lavos (or w/e happened to him originally in the K-1 timeline)...So all he'd need is a Time Egg and/or the bucket...

The only time in which Lavos killed Magus was in the castle during the Lavos Timeline. K-1 is CT changes + Another World events in Cross leading up to 1020 A.D. K-2 is CT changes + Home World events in Cross.

No, the Lavos timeline is K-1 unless I'm mistaken. Home & Another World are dimensional differences, not separate timelines.

Voice: Here, Lavos is no more.
This is the future in which we defeated him.

But then that's based on an assumption. So I ask: What the hell was your point in that post?

That quote is from the real/amnesia/whatever you want to call him Magus within Time's Eclipse. Basically so that you know that your party when you get there is from a different timeline (NG+). I was saying that Magus wouldn't need to create an Angelus Errere situation because there's already a timeline in which he was dead and that is K-1, the Lavos timeline, which I believe is what the Vortexes are (which is why they open upon Lavos' initial defeat), so Magus would already have an in to the DBT/Time's Eclipse like Serge & Co. & (NG+) Crono & Co. (respectively) had.

[chrono eric]

lol, you've done it again Eske.  Since Magus remembers them in 12,000 BC, Lavos cannot have a PD (that's better than any evidence we have so far) and Magus had to have been killed in 600 AD.

[placidchap]

Nope,  12000BC, post Lavos's rising was covered mostly in water, so the effects of his eruption cannot be seen but in 2300AD we see that ground zero became Death Peak.  That was only 301 years later.  A similar mountain would exist in 1000AD, 400 years after a proposed rising.

There is no proof that an eruption/rising creates a mountain. 

[utunnels]

 [Belthasar]
   To those who opened the door...
   
   I am Belthasar, the Guru of Reason.
   I once lived in the kingdom of Zeal.
   
   A great disaster in Zeal somehow
   threw me into this era.
   
   To my surprise, Lavos exists here, and,
   I suspect, in other periods as well.
   Aeons ago, Lavos descended from the
   heavens.

   Burrowing deep into the the world's
   core, he began to consume our planet's
   energy, and grow stronger.

   Lavos disappeared briefly when he
   was summoned away by a mighty
   wizard who lived in Guardia, in the
   year 600.

   In 1999, Lavos claims this area, and
   reigns from high atop Death Peak.

   Lavos continues to replicate......
   like a giant parasite, he is consuming
   our world.

   Forced to live here, I continued to
   conduct research on Lavos.

   But I am growing old.
   And it's impossible to keep sane in such
   trying times. So before I lose it
   completely, I shall safeguard my data,
   and my ultimate creation...

   How I long to return home...
   But I have grown frail...
 
   So you...YOU, who have opened the
   door!
   I leave things in your hands.

   Only by mastering time, itself, do you
   stand a chance against Lavos.

   The odds will be against you...
   But you are true heros.
   The world is in your hands.

   Open, now, the last door, and take
   what you find there.
   My last invention...
 
   My «Wings of Time» ...

[Fireseal]

[Belthasar]
 
   Lavos disappeared briefly when he
   was summoned away by a mighty
   wizard who lived in Guardia, in the
   year 600.

 

That part does make any sense. He disappeared briefly? Maybe he 'appeared' briefly? Unless that is grammatically correct? lol..  And clearly Magus did not live in Guardia and he did not summon away Lavos, maybe there is another wizard that lived in Guardia? Or Belthasar's info on that part is inaccurate since he is insane? Maybe it's a text error on the designers part.

[Acacia Sgt]

The time is Kingdom Year 600.
Magus summons it, and it briefly appears.

This is what he says instead in the retranslation.

[V_Translanka]

Why do people even bother quoting that Woosley'd mess? C'mon, we've got the retranslation script available to use here at the Compendium, let's use it!

[utunnels]

 
Disappeared...why did he translate it like that?

[V_Translanka]

He was working on some heavy time constraints and I think I remember hearing something like that a lot of it was done from memory or something, idk...

[mav]

Right, he had around a month, he memorized events, and used guides to fill in the blanks. As bad as some of us think the translation may have been, I kinda pity him for how hard it must have been.