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Re: Dalton (Post-DS Revision) [DS Spoilers Included]
« Reply #45 on: December 06, 2008, 12:36:03 pm »
But yeah I also can't wait for another sequel, I just hope if it comes it won't be PS3 or Xbox 360, because I don't have those

Put it on the Wii!

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Re: Dalton (Post-DS Revision) [DS Spoilers Included]
« Reply #46 on: December 07, 2008, 02:51:56 am »
It depends on the popularity of CTDS. If it doesn't do well, it's doubtful Chrono will ever make a comeback. But can you imagine what Square's reaction would be if it kicked Final Fantasy's ass in sales? They would be retarded not to give us more.

That's why come Christmas time, all of you should buy Chrono Trigger for everyone you know that has a DS as a gift instead of anything else.

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Re: Dalton (Post-DS Revision) [DS Spoilers Included]
« Reply #47 on: December 07, 2008, 02:27:39 pm »
That's not a bad idea--everyone deserves the chance to play CT...but the chances that CT's sales could trump FF's are low, sadly. But fuck it, we should still buy this for everyone.

This has been on my mind for a bit, do you guys think that Dalton didn't work alone in raising the Porre Army? I mean, is there a possibility that he rounded up other anti-Crono people or other anti-Guardia people to give Porre the edge?

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Re: Dalton (Post-DS Revision) [DS Spoilers Included]
« Reply #48 on: December 07, 2008, 02:34:41 pm »
Like who really? He was the only guy left.

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Re: Dalton (Post-DS Revision) [DS Spoilers Included]
« Reply #49 on: December 07, 2008, 02:59:32 pm »
I don't know, it's just hard to accept that one man alone could raise such an army in such a short amount of time. The reason I asked was just cause I personally don't think there would be anyone else to help out...but I was reading up on one of Lucca's quotes, in CC:
Quote from: Lucca, in a letter to Kidd
   But when you think of it, we also
   caused the deaths of so many that
   were meant to have come into
   existence in the time line we
   destroyed, and also caused new
   sadness and suffering further along
   in the new future we created...
   
   That is why I worry that someone
   might seek revenge on us for
   what we did.
   I have had a constant dread in my
   heart that someone in our new
   future will travel back in time,
   just like we did, and try and kill
   or capture my friends and me.
And it really got me thinking that this wasn't just dread, but unbelievable foresight.

Whatever though, I'm probably just making mountains out of molehills.

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Re: Dalton (Post-DS Revision) [DS Spoilers Included]
« Reply #50 on: December 07, 2008, 03:12:21 pm »
I guess that just references to Lynx killing Lucca, although his reasons were a little different.

And well I guess Dalton just forced his through the ranks, or he impressed them so much (he knew magic after all) that he eventually became the leader. Porre is not as small as what we see either, they probably already had a small militia. But it's also possibly Dalton used the Sun Stone or El Nido elements or something to boost his forces.

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Re: Dalton (Post-DS Revision) [DS Spoilers Included]
« Reply #51 on: December 07, 2008, 03:20:53 pm »
Good points--but I suppose it's too early to consider how Dalton overthrew Guardia: it's taking some of us a while to even accept that he could raise Porre. The most we can do now is incorporate some of the existing Rise of Porre theories into the Dalton theory...

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Re: Dalton (Post-DS Revision) [DS Spoilers Included]
« Reply #52 on: December 23, 2008, 10:54:04 pm »
Personally, I think Dalton's portals are significant. This is pure conjecture, but when he was sucked into his own portal, perhaps it took him to a Dimensional Vortex, which, after time, somehow taught him how to use the portals as weapons. With that power, he could have found a way to remove Crono and Nadia from Guardia...

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Re: Dalton (Post-DS Revision) [DS Spoilers Included]
« Reply #53 on: December 24, 2008, 01:26:26 am »
Hello, yet another new person here who's been a longtime fan of the series and visitor of the Compendium who decided to start posting because of Chrono Trigger DS. Hopefully you're not tired of us yet. :D

Anyway, this conversation seems like a good one to jump into so I'm going to add some of my own thoughts on the matter and start by saying that we might be tackling this question from the wrong angle.  Perhaps instead of asking how Dalton could have used Porre to defeat Guardia, maybe we should be asking how Dalton could have helped Porre defeat Guardia?

Unless I'm mistaken about the facts, by 1,000 AD Porre had already become a military power through the colonization of the El Nido Archipelago and the victory over the Dragonians.  They likely have guns, crystal elements (which, while not as powerful as magic, still pack a punch), and who knows what else.  Now, maybe the Porre military wants to expand, maybe they don't.  Maybe Porre has disputes with Guardia, maybe they don't.  Either way, Porre probably already has the capability to defeat Guardia in a war.  Their crystal elements aren't as strong as Crono, Marle, and Lucca's magic and their guns likely aren't as advanced as what Lucca can produce, but it seems likely that they have more people outfitted with crystal elements and guns than Guardia has magicians and marksmen.

And now Dalton enters the scene.  Whether he shares his magic and working knowledge of Zeal technology with Porre is a moot question, as is whether he rises through the ranks to become a prominent general or even stages a coup to become the ruler of Porre because as stated above Porre likely already has the potential to defeat Guardia in a war.  All Dalton needs to do to get his revenge is ingratiate himself with the military and convince Porre to invade Guardia, which could be accomplished through any number of means such as creating an inciting incident or appealing to expansionism.  Either way, no matter what his rank and position might be the Porrre military would probably assign Dalton to the Guardia campaign because of his magical abilities, and voila: the Fall of Guardia.

Even if you think Crono could take the entire Porre army on singlehandedly with Luminaire and win or if you think Crono could take Dalton one-on-one and win (much more likely, in my opinion), if you back Dalton with his spells up with squads of riflemen and trained crystal element users and maybe even heavy artillery...I don't believe the odds would be in Crono's favor and the odds become even worse if Dalton did strengthen the Porre military with Zeal science.  Now, it wouldn't be impossible for Guardia to win under these circumstances especially if they embarked upon their own militarization program, but Porre would still have significant advantages and virtually all evidence states that Porre defeats Guardia in 1005 AD.

So, maybe Dalton reformed the Porre military, gave them new technology, became the ruler of Porre, and personally led the campaign against Guardia, or maybe he didn't and took more of a behind the scenes approach.  Either way, for those who are struggling to conceive how Dalton of all people could conquer Guardia let's remember that Porre still could have probably defeated Guardia with or without him.  His role in the Fall of Guardia and relation to Porre is, for the time being, a mystery and all we can firmly say is that he probably was involved with both in some way.
« Last Edit: December 24, 2008, 01:28:54 am by Rowan Seven »

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Re: Dalton (Post-DS Revision) [DS Spoilers Included]
« Reply #54 on: December 24, 2008, 10:08:38 am »
Dalton also had the Masamune, which is formidable in and of itself.  And just think if he had the Hero Medal too - not only does he have kick-ass magic, but now an awesome critical hit rate!

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Re: Dalton (Post-DS Revision) [DS Spoilers Included]
« Reply #55 on: December 24, 2008, 10:53:56 am »
While Dalton helped Porre in the Fall of Guardia, I don't think it's definite who takes the Masamune, really. I still say that it was just some random Porrean soldier or something...If it was Dalton & he knew what it was then why would it end up where it did for Garai to find...?

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Re: Dalton (Post-DS Revision) [DS Spoilers Included]
« Reply #56 on: December 24, 2008, 11:06:37 am »
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If it was Dalton & he knew what it was then why would it end up where it did for Garai to find...?
Maybe Dalton was already dead before CC's story took place. There might be countless possibilities after that, maybe Porrean used him and then killed him...
>_>
Just kidding.

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Re: Dalton (Post-DS Revision) [DS Spoilers Included]
« Reply #57 on: December 24, 2008, 12:43:26 pm »
Maybe Dalton was driven mad and when he regained himself he took the sword and placed it where it was when Radius and Garai found it.

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Re: Dalton (Post-DS Revision) [DS Spoilers Included]
« Reply #58 on: December 24, 2008, 03:31:27 pm »
If Dalton took hold of the Masamune during such a desperate and dreadful time, it is possible that he eventually grew fearful of how hellish the sword had become and ditched it. Although it's speculated that the Masa and Mune "fell asleep" when the sword was returned to Denadoro Mountains and after that Radius and Garai found it, and we basically know the rest.

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Re: Dalton (Post-DS Revision) [DS Spoilers Included]
« Reply #59 on: December 24, 2008, 09:40:35 pm »
Dalton is alive, no doubt about it. He was pretty weak when fought in Zeal but by the time of the Dimensional Vortices he is truly a force to be reckoned with. He became even more powerful than Magus, who was once slaughtering Guardia with just his minions. It would be pretty anticlimatic if he died off-screen after conquering Guardia and (possibly) killing Crono and Marle. Bottom line is, we need answers.