Dalton (Post-DS Revision) [DS Spoilers Included]

[V_Translanka]

Hold on Magus22!

It is a shame that Pierre's is not the same as Glenn's.

This appears to have been a concept art flub, IMO at least. Closer analysis of Pierre's model shows that the hero medals are identical. Whether Pierre holds THE hero medal from CT is still up for debate I suppose (it could have been a cheap knockoff perhaps), but they are identical in appearance. The topic was broached by Satoh earlier.

My Compendium-sense is tingling...!

I should refer to it as Rare Object art and not "concept" art, as concept art is what we'd expect to find only in the Missing Pieces artbook.

The only thing I can think is that the art is a picture of some sort of protective container Pierre has for the Hero Medal when he's not using it in battle (or as decoration)...Kind of how the Astral Amulet's art only shows the bag it's in.

[mav]

That does make sense, since we clearly see the CT Hero's Medal in the tech Medalsome. He whips out the container housing the Hero's Medal, opens it, and voila Medalsome.

[V_Translanka]

Yeah, that's why I said when he's not in battle or wearing it (like can be seen he's doing in the vid for Medalsome or just any battle with Pierre...>_>)...Which is, oddly enough, the only time you can check on the Rare Item screen anyways...

[FaustWolf]

Nice salvage of the concept art V. That makes good sense considering the Hero Medal would be an artifact of great importance, and reconciles all the evidence nicely.

[Magus22]

So then it does have merit!

Let us say the Masamune is just a bonus to Dalton. Even if he did acquire it during the Guardia siege from the last wielder, it somehow found its way back to the Denadaro Mountains or the Divine Dragon Falls. In regards to the Hero Medal (Badge), it would seem Pierre acquired it first. He lost it, but was returned to his possession by Serge. Perhaps Pierre obtained it elsewhere, brought it to Termina where he dropped it on his way to Zappa's, and some little kid picked it up. Where he got it in the first place is zesty, because the last wielder of the Masamune must have had it on him (perhaps, perhaps not).

I think it might be time to dig up my old Chrono Break idea for some healthy critiquing and bashing. I believe Dalton had something even bigger than the Masamune - say, the DNA or building blocks of a Lavos spawn for instance. By convincing Porre of his ultimate goal and of his new trump card, he would get Porre to help him synthesize the find; while in return, he would help Porre in razing Guardia to gain their respect. Fast-fowarding... Porre becomes #1, Guardia is demoralized and besieged, and Crono and Marle vanish - possibly to consult the Guru's about the recent turn of events and the presence of a man in 1000 A.D. from the ancient kingdom of Zeal who now holds, literally, "the ultimate equalizer". He may have entered into 1000 A.D. from that Time Gate in Guardia Forest. Any other explanation on how that Gate formed is The Entity leading Crono on a bigger goal to discover the planets fate and future.

[Zergplex]

I think it's more likely that Dalton traveled to 1000AD through the Dimensional Vortex you find him in. Possibly his golem summoning portal was not supposed to work in both directions and glitched out when he traveled through it. The dimensional distortion seems to be the most likely place for someone to end up when spatial/dimensional gates go awry, sorta like the End of Time for when time gates go awry. Regardless I feel the dimensional distortion is the route to 1000AD that makes the most sense for Dalton to have taken.

On the other hand I think Dalton would certainly take advantage of both the Leene Square gate and the Guardia Forest gate if he was aware of them and had the capability.

Here is a very odd question, is Dalton even aware of temporal gates? Out of the Zealians only Schala is confirmed to know about the gates, does Dalton ever mention the Crono Crew as Time Travelers during any of his speeches? Obviously he realizes the possibility of Time Travel after arriving in 1000AD, but he may not realize how Crono and his team time traveled (or simply assumed they always used the Epoch).

[Xenterex]

Obviously he realizes the possibility of Time Travel after arriving in 1000AD, but he may not realize how Crono and his team time traveled (or simply assumed they always used the Epoch).

I think the only connection Dalton might have with the possibility of time travel would be if he actually knew everything about the Epoch, which I don't think he did.  His dialogues mention that (at least once zeal is gone) his desire is to be king of the land, and not so much king of time, or even so much an eternal king (at least not once he sees the connection to Lavos severed, as it seems he had interest in a timeless life, similar to Zeal's ambitions)

[mav]

He's in 1000ad at this point, so he's experienced time travel, although this is not an indication that he realized the full use of the Epoch. Nonetheless, he has traveled time, possibly through no will of his own, and it appears that his desire to be king has been trumped by his desire to crush Crono and co.

I assume that Dalton has some knowledge of the gates, it's probably stunted, in comparison with Schala's, as I doubt he's gone through enough gates to grasp the mechanics of it all. And I don't think anyone specifically calls Crono and co. time travelers, but I assume that Queen Zeal, Dalton, and Schala knew by the time OP took place. By the time Dalton has reached 1000ad, his knowledge has grown tremendously--he knows about Guardia (he might even know Marle's relation to the throne) and he definitely knows Porre, and from the sounds of it, he's also reaping Porre for the benefits.

[Phillies64]

Since Dalton has experienced Time Travel at some point, it may be safe to assume he has some knowledge of gates. The fact that he knows about Porre, states that he has some knowledge beyond his own timeline.

Regardless, the fact that he has time traveled could lead to numerous possibilties. Over the course of his travels he could have gained the strength and the experience to become a formidible opponent. Perhaps it's not insane to believe he was even strong enough for Crono himself. Crono levels up through the course of time, why not Dalton? Perhaps its a stretch, but I'd buy it.

So him intiating the fall of Guardia would make perfect sense.

[ryu planeswalker]

Don't forget the area that Dalton is found in has connections to Lavos/DD/TD, perhaps in his travels in time one of those boosted him up, in order to preoccupy Crono, Marle and Lucca.

[V_Translanka]

Over the course of his travels he could have gained the strength and the experience to become a formidible opponent. Perhaps it's not insane to believe he was even strong enough for Crono himself. Crono levels up through the course of time, why not Dalton? Perhaps its a stretch, but I'd buy it.

Well, when you fight him in the Dimensional Vortex, he's significantly more powerful than his previous incarnations...

[Magus_Brokenhart]

As I said on another thread already...Dalton finds the amnesiac Magus, and takes advantage of the situation. Magus is able to wield the Masamune out of instinct, since he had faced that blade numerous times before. He and Dalton, along with the Masamune, take care of Marle and Crono. They live happily ever after.

[utunnels]

They live happily ever after.

A fine ending...

But it is still strange Porrean use guns and cannons, did we see then in Zeal?

[FouCapitan]

What really happened.

1005 AD, Dalton leads army towards Guardia.
-Crono and Marle say "Screw this" and jump ship to another time.
-Dalton gets pissed, because he can't find Crono to brag to about his army.
-Finds Masamune in Guardia castle
-Kills a bunch of people in a hissy fit
-Throws sword in ocean
-Becomes King and dies sad and alone with nobody to love.

[Magus_Brokenhart]

Truly so? Dalton didn't seem like one to care much about love. I think money and power would have sufficed. I love how we state our opinion as fact! ^_^

Anyways, for those who keep saying that Dalton could not beat the trio, I think Magus would be the perfect equalizer.