Magus DS(Spoiler)

[utunnels]

Yeah, I did hope they explain it in CTDS. Also the Einlanzer, it is not metioned in CT at all.

[Dark Serge]

The Einlanzer was probably before CT's time. If I recall, it was forged by Dragonians, and they didn't appear in the Keystone dimension until after the Time Crash. After the Dragonians died out it apparently somehow fell into Garai's hands (again. Ironic how he finds both swords.) And if I remember right, Dario also used it?

[utunnels]

The Einlanzer was probably before CT's time. If I recall, it was forged by Dragonians, and they didn't appear in the Keystone dimension until after the Time Crash. After the Dragonians died out it apparently somehow fell into Garai's hands (again. Ironic how he finds both swords.) And if I remember right, Dario also used it?

It seems I need to research CC's script a bit. In RD it is said Einlanzer and Masamune were forged by the same person.

[Dark Serge]

Well, who knows. RD is an alternative dimension. Perhaps Melchior made them both. Or perhaps someone else made them both.

[utunnels]

Yeah, but in these 2 time lines, 2 different creators create the same sword, that sounds unnatural.

BTW, speaking the Divine Dragon Falls, the shrine in Lost Sanctum has the ability to merge 2 gemstones into a more powerful gemstone, just like in CC, tear of hate and tear of love merged into the Chrono Cross.
Mabye in CC time line, someone might want to do something to those 2 swords there...

[Dark Serge]

I don't think the LS held any plot relevance. The Divine Dragon Falls has fulfilled it's use, and those two pedestals in the LS aren't probably very special.

[Void]

Wow,this has gotten very interesting i've played crono cross when it first came out and thought the einlanzer origin was very interesting also it is strange how Garai managed to get his hand on 2 legendary sword is there anymore info on garai other than things in the game?

[mav]

I doubt it, as mysterious as Garai is, most everything we know about him came from in-game context--no reference is made to him outside CC (he's definitely not mentioned in CT, and I don't believe he's mentioned in RD either)...

Back to Magus though, Guile doesn't have the heir of someone who was involved in war in any way. He has this very disconnected attitude...all we know is that he was part of the Magic Guild and that he sought to break into Viper Manor. We can assume he spent some time with Sneff, taking part in that Guild, but other than that, I'm not sure where he was. He's noted as being an adventure-seeker--that's what landed him in El Nido--but would he really engage in despicable acts and then flee to El Nido?

[Acacia Sgt]

I doubt it, as mysterious as Garai is, most everything we know about him came from in-game context--no reference is made to him outside CC (he's definitely not mentioned in CT, and I don't believe he's mentioned in RD either)...

Back to Magus though, Guile doesn't have the heir of someone who was involved in war in any way. He has this very disconnected attitude...all we know is that he was part of the Magic Guild and that he sought to break into Viper Manor. We can assume he spent some time with Sneff, taking part in that Guild, but other than that, I'm not sure where he was. He's noted as being an adventure-seeker--that's what landed him in El Nido--but would he really engage in despicable acts and then flee to El Nido?

No, Guile would never get involve in that sort if thing... wait, didn't Guile was 11 during the fall? How would he be involved during that war?

[art_garfunkel]

Guile has not been proven to be Magus. There is no "theory" about Magus being Guile because there is no evidence for Magus being Guile. I think the word you're looking for is "speculation." Granted nothing says that he is not Guile, but nothing supports it either.

This is interesting; the idea of amnesiac Magus participating in the Fall of Guardia could make for some excellent drama in a future Chrono game. Unfortunately I don't think that we can conclude who the person in the Fall of Guardia FMV is. There just is not enough detail in the movie. I think CTDS has clearly shown that Dalton had a hand in it.

[mav]

Guile has not been proven to be Magus. There is no "theory" about Magus being Guile because there is no evidence for Magus being Guile. I think the word you're looking for is "speculation." Granted nothing says that he is not Guile, but nothing supports it either.

Right you are, we're assuming that Guile is Eclipse Magus, which may be a long shot, but our assumptions and speculations are still a theory, just a less valid one. Like Acacia Sgt. said, Guile would be eleven years-old during the Fall of Guardia, to have been involved in that is rather questionable. But an amnesiac Magus participating in the Fall would be impressive; Guile didn't seem like the kind of fella that would do it, but a memory-less Magus...who knows? Then the question we'd come to is why? Magus was looking for some purpose, but my goodness this seems drastic.

[Shadow D. Darkman]

Hey, for all we know, Eclipse Magus could have been sent to 994 A.D. and had been living with amnesia for 26 years when he visited Termina the day Serge showed up to recruit him for the Viper Manor raid. It may have referred to how many years it had been since his earliest memory, that being what is seen in CTDS' new ending, Eclipse Magus turning up in the forest with no memory.

EDIT: Thanks, mav, for giving me his age.

[mav]

Well, according to the Compendium's encyclopedia he's 26 during the events of CC...so 26 in 1020, which would make him 11 during the Fall. Now, we don't exactly know Magus's age in CT, but it's generally assumed that he's in his probably around 30. So there's definitely an age issue between Magus and Guile, even if he was sent directly to 1020ad.

[Dark Serge]

I'm afraid we can't say that for sure without knowing his age in CT. You say 30, but he really looks like 20-23 to me. He seriously doesn't look that old.

[mikeb123]

If Guile is Magus, he doesn't seem like the kind of person that would associate himself with Dalton unless he was tricked. Though I don't think Dalton would be clever enough to trick Magus. And if he had amnesia, how would he know his age? He could have made it up.