Melchior

[swift]

Maybe Melchior makes weapons to avoid those who wants to destroy life.

And the Melchior that was in the Ocean Palace and sent to the 1000 A.D had encountered Crono before, in the earthbound village. And there's omeone says that Melchior had gone to the palace to try to stop the Queen to get more energy from Lavos or something like that. Correct me with I'm wrong but I think this way.

[Sentenal]

...No, he did not.  In the orginal timeline, Crono and Co. weren't even present at the Ocean Palace disaster.  So the Melchior that you first meet at the Fair, and later repaired the Masamune, was from the orginal timeline, and never meet Crono.  Then, Crono goes on his quest, and meets Melchior.  Now, this Melchior would know Crono after he is sent to 1000ad, but not the first one.

[Chrono'99]

Maybe Melchior makes weapons to avoid those who wants to destroy life.

It's just a small piece of humour from the scenarists. The guru of Life is forced to make weapons to destroy life (Zeal, Magus, Lavos, etc.), the guru of Reason actually lose his reason and the guru of Time is cast at the "end" of time...

[X ATM038x]

Syeah, poor gurus...
If it's true that the first Melchior who doesn't remember Crono get's replaced by another Melchior who does remember Crono (due to interference in Zeal), does the first Melchior go to the Tesseract or something?
Also, it probably doesn't mean too much but, at the beginning of the game, when you first meet Marle/Nadia and you go to Melchior, he asks if the girl would sell the pendant. Ofcourse he remembers the pendant, but what would he need that for? Or maybe he saw it and understood that they could change history with it (since he was teleported in another timeline with Lavos' power, or someone else's) and tested them on answering "no"? If you say yes, Marle says no, so maybe he knew they would change history and stuff, maybe he knew that he would see them earlier in Zeal next time or something? I guess it probably doesn't mean that much, but anyway ^^!

[Zaperking]

I think he says something along the lines "I think this is a treasure of this girl, keep it in a safe place" or something. If he did want it, it'd probably be to remember Schala or something. Melchior would be to weak to handle traveling time, he even says "No, don't tell me, I don't think my heart could handle it" when you give him the Masamune and dreamstone.

[SilentMartyr]

This is what Mechior says:

Oh my! It's...the pendant...! Er, Sorry I can't buy that! It's...far too special! Keep it safe!

It always makes me laugh when I quote the game, everyone is always suprised or yelling.  

[Sentenal]

it would be the newer versions of Melchior that get send to the DBT, not the original.

[Shadow_Dragon]

i don't quite understand how everyone here refers to the DBT and the Tesseract (and quite frankly, i don't remember them from playing CT)

Once the new Melchoir gets sent to 1000AD, then the new melchoir is the one in the new timeline (the new timeline that's created once Crono is sent into the past)

it's been a while since i've played CT, so i dunno whether if you go to melchoir in 1000AD after freeing him in the past if he remembers you or not, but in theory he should, not because Crono had just gone into the past, but because his going into the past sent him into a new timeline

[Aitrus]

Well, the DBT and Tesseract references are pulling from CC.

When anything is removed from a timeline, or if a timeline is discarded, it is sent to the Tesseract.  For example, the Lavos timeline is sent into the Tesseract at the end of CT, as Lavos was defeated and the timeline became Keystone T-1 (I think I remember that conversion correctly).  Also, Schala was pulled into Lavos' pocket dimension during the Ocean Palace disaster, and the subsequent casting of said pocket dimension into the Tesseract took her with it.

[Sentenal]

And the confusing Time Bastard theory basically says that only the version of a person the originally did the Time Traveling can time travel.

[Shadow_Dragon]

i don't really agree with the DBT and tesseract as they're referred to in CC, then, because if two different people time travel, then whose altered timeline becomes reality and whose gets sent to the DBT? i think that all the timelines are present, but since they can't interact with each other w/o time travel, then it's as if the other timelines no longer exist to a bystander on a timeline

[GrayLensman]

Time traveller immunity and time bastard may be disputed, but the existence of the DBT is canon.

[ZeaLitY]

It's sort of like playing hopscotch. A person known as Ray travels to 600 A.D. After he gets there, someone rewrites history in 1 A.D. to make the world swim in fire. So what happens to Ray? To his perception, he emerged in a lake of fire.

The original Ray did exist in 600 A.D. for awhile, but then person B rewrote time. Thus, he was cast to the DBT, but by the principle of TTI and the Gate effect, "Ray" would still emerge in 600 A.D. in the new timeline that B created. Call him Ray prime.

[Shadow_Dragon]

It's sort of like playing hopscotch. A person known as Ray travels to 600 A.D. After he gets there, someone rewrites history in 1 A.D. to make the world swim in fire. So what happens to Ray? To his perception, he emerged in a lake of fire.

The original Ray did exist in 600 A.D. for awhile, but then person B rewrote time. Thus, he was cast to the DBT, but by the principle of TTI and the Gate effect, "Ray" would still emerge in 600 A.D. in the new timeline that B created. Call him Ray prime.

I just don't see how the original Ray in 600 A.D. (without the fire) and all the people in the timeline that he exists in are just 'destroyed'. The timeline is eternal, so its being sent to the DBT shouldn't have any affect on the people within it; it's not like the timeline is sent there and halted from ever finishing, but it's just seperate from what Ray prime and person B see. I hope that makes some sense...

[Leebot]

It's sort of like playing hopscotch. A person known as Ray travels to 600 A.D. After he gets there, someone rewrites history in 1 A.D. to make the world swim in fire. So what happens to Ray? To his perception, he emerged in a lake of fire.

The original Ray did exist in 600 A.D. for awhile, but then person B rewrote time. Thus, he was cast to the DBT, but by the principle of TTI and the Gate effect, "Ray" would still emerge in 600 A.D. in the new timeline that B created. Call him Ray prime.

I'm gonna have to disagree with that one. When a time traveler reaches a lower time (such as one AD), a new timeline is created revolving around that point. A new future grows out of it, including any jumps/lack of jumps, and a new past grows behind it (assuming this new future contains someone going back further into the past). After these are created and have gone through all instances of time-travel at a lower time-error than the exit point, the old future and the new past are shunted into the DBT. After that, someone can theoretically leave the timeline at a greater time-error, go back further into the past and prevent the first change.