Cleaning up the Fan Projects page

[FaustWolf]

Well, I was using the "tech demo" concept as a justification for the fact that the CC:DBT team sort of ninja'd the current direction of discussion by snagging a project board over the summer; we got really lucky, because we're probably the last fan project to have such an easy time of it.

When I mentioned the Magus Unmasked vid as a "tech demo," I meant that for purposes of achieving a project forum, not for being placed on the Compendium fan project page. I may be overridden on this, but it's my personal recommendation that requirements for getting a project forum be less stringent than the requirements that are likely to be in place soon for getting onto the project page; a forum is sort of necessary for serious projects so that plot design, project goal monitoring, etc., can be kept organized. That setup would keep CC:DBT's status consistent with the rules that are coming into place.

Laith brings up a good point -- if a fan project team wants to keep all development to date under wraps, the team could pass it around amongst the body of judges if it likes. Also, if we were to implement a "renewal" rule like the one Laith suggested I'd actually recommend shortening the project completion horizon to two years. That way, a project would either have to give a huge update every two years or lose its priveleged status on the fan creations page.

[Belaith]

Every 8 months the project members, or the leader, must submit an overall status update with noticable progression. If said updates fail to meet the standards to be set at a later time the project will be re evaluated by the admins, mods, etc. and will be revoted on. The requirements that need be met will be set depending on the project. The project leader may gain his/her page back, if lost, if he/she can produce up to par results within 4 months of the project page being taken down. If the project must be halted due to unfortunate circumstances, the project leader or members must alert the admins, mods, etc. to a temporary stand still on the project.

Those are just my views on how the time restraint should be played out.

[ZeaLitY]

Oh, I wouldn't say that. CC:DBT has a lot of smart people in it; a forum would have never been a problem. I guess these things are more in place for the people who show up alone, post a bunch of ambition plans that force us to create a forum, add it to the fan project page, announce and create promises for site viewers, etc. and then totally disappear.

[Agent 12]

Oh sorry I totally missed the part about the video being for a forum.  That video is far and wide enough to warrant a forum and I totally agree a forum is necessary for the plot planning and such.  It'd drive me crazy if all the posts in DBT were in kajar . 

Sorry for the misunderstanding.

--JP

[FaustWolf]

No prob. Though, judging from CC:DBT's development it's a good thing to start out with a Kajar Labs thread so the project concept gets some general exposure (should the project team decide to go hidden later) and ideas become developed enough to warrant a project forum; basically the project would just outgrow the single-thread stage and enter pre-production.

[ZeaLitY]

All right, let's run down the projects!

http://www.chronocompendium.com/Term/Fan_Projects.html

Chrono Crisis

Cleared...

Crimson Echoes

Will be out in 2-3 months.

Chrono Trigger +

Looks like it's doing well, although I'm not totally sure where it stands in respect to completion and release.

Chrono Trigger Hardtype

He's working on it, I think: http://www.chronocompendium.com/Forums/index.php/topic,5440.msg112194.html#msg112194

Chrono Trigger Re-Amped

Total unknown. Anacalius said he's working on it, so we'll take another look once a year elapses.

Chrono Trigger Rebirth

I guess someone should ask Shinrin if he expects to have it done in 4 years.

Chrono Trigger: Time's Illusion

Ditto. Since TheOutlaw is missing, I don't really see the team here, either. A one man effort would take a while, and since there's so much else on the plate (Schala Project, CT DS, 8th character), hm. Open for voting?

DRMProd Chrono Trigger Latin American Spanish

http://chronolatino.blogspot.com/

Seems like it's going for now.

Chrono Cross: A Love Story Across Time

It's about to be one year since any recorded activity, meaning the forum will be moved to the DBT. Since the project's inception over two years ago, a cover and a couple pages have been done, so I'm really doubtful. If no one has a defense of it, I'll give a no based on 4 years.

Chrono Trigger Novel Project

No, based on cease and desist. In the 0.0000001% chance Square lets them write, we can always revert them back onto the page. But their package presentation is drawing near.

[justin3009]

Keep the TI forum there, just keep it hidden.  I don't want that deleted at all because that still contains a lot of the information we need.  It will be worked on later on as Mystik wants to help out a bit again.  Cheyne does as well.

[FaustWolf]

CTNP's package has been mailed to Square Enix according to their site, I guess they're just waiting for a reply. That'll be interesting; my guess is they won't even get a reply at all, or some kind of form letter indicating that nobody even read the package. I guess we could give it a month before voting on it to see whether they get a C&D, ignored, or by some miracle greenlighted. At least they've made some progress with the demo chapters (though I've never personally read any of the demo chapters -- were they publicly available?).

Chrono Trigger+ is in bug testing phase right now, so I think some kind of official release is on the horizon. That'd be a good one to put up/keep up/update in addition to CE.

justin3009, do you want to put CT:Ultimate Edition on the table for fan page consideration yet? Or would that coincide with the "Schala Project"?

Also, this is only for fan page descriptions; currently existing fan project forums won't be affected by any decisions here.

[Belaith]

Although I'm not a qualified voter, I would still like for my input to be considered.

Chrono Crisis was on the scene in '05... when I was a newer member. It's been four years
and still no completion. If the project should be grandfathered in due to new rules on completion time, it's completion date should be thrown a decrease of two years giving it an overall completion time of six years. If the members will not willingly verify that  there is work being done then little to no work is being done on it.

I worked with CCALSAT and it's not going to happen. We were high on the idea but Grey was the only one seeing it through.
The project, in my eyes, is not a hopeful due to lack of members and motivation.

I'm not familiar with Time's Illusion so I have nothing to say for it.

Chrono Trigger+ still has aeons of work ahead of it. I played the demo and read the read me. What Zakyrus is planning to do will need the knowledge
and skill of every compendiumite that has fluent knowledge of temporal flux. It's not a possible completion given the circumstances and time restraint.

The other projects I have no input for.

[DK_Donutlicious]

Chrono Trigger+ still has aeons of work ahead of it. I played the demo and read the read me. What Zakyrus is planning to do will need the knowledge
and skill of every compendiumite that has fluent knowledge of temporal flux. It's not a possible completion given the circumstances and time restraint.

I would just like to say that, while yes Z may take quite a long time to reach full completion of his ideas, he has been releasing "demos" from time to time. Whenever he finally manages to get the next versions official release out, it will be really nice, and contain a lot of cool stuff. I guess my point is that CT+ stands in a weirder spot because while its final goal may be far off, demos get released from time to time containing new, finished content. So yes it exceeds the time constraints, and yes it may never reach everything Z wants, but whenever Z decides to toss in the hat, whatever he has completed to that point will be a fantastic expansion on the original CT.

[justin3009]

Feel free to put it up there.  Schala Project is the one taking the attention right now along with 7 letters.  Plus the 8th character is almost near completion so Schala Project will be completely re-worked when ready.

[V_Translanka]

Besides the ridiculousness of them somehow wanting Square to greenlight their fanfic (if they somehow pull that off then SURE, but...), I don't see why CTNP gets any more attention than any other fanfic. In fact, since it's completely lacking in originality, you'd think it would get less.

[neo-fusion]

I'm putting up my Chrono Trigger Apocalypse Series up for the fan projects page...

Episode 1 is already out and more is comign soon.

[ZeaLitY]

Yeah, I just need to update.

CTNP has heard nothing from Square Enix. Maybe they never will. And if they do get a no, and the project writes the novel anyway, it becomes unpublished fan fiction.

It'd be a nice surprise if they said yes, but they've honestly had this for a month at SE, and I'm sure Square would do something like this in Japanese LONG before it ever considered an English Chrono Trigger.

[FaustWolf]

So would the proper thing to do, then, be to list CTNP in the "Fan Fiction" page as opposed to the "Fan Projects" page? And thus it wouldn't fall into consideration for purposes of this thread?