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Re: Serge = Magus
« Reply #45 on: April 21, 2009, 12:43:24 am »
But, no, I don't think Kid & Schala merged either for those reasons that Dark Serge stated (see! we can agree on some things! you just gotta BELIEVE!!)...Though I still don't completely understand the "Schala 'Kid' Zeal" signature...I don't think I would really understand it even if I thought they did merge though...Perhaps I should examine the diary entry in its full again...

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Re: Serge = Magus
« Reply #46 on: April 21, 2009, 08:01:11 am »

Schala finds Serge and marries him, and Kid goes on to live her own life.

I like this explanation, as with everything discussed, it seems to fit the best. Only one question comes to my mind, though. Does Schala know/experience what Kid experiences in-game? As in, does Schala know Serge from the whole adventure, or does she just know that he's the one that saved her?

A version of Schala finds and marries a version of Serge, but we don't know anything else. It's not meant to be answered. We know that:

1/ Schala was saved by Serge and Kid during the game.
2/ Serge returns to Opassa Beach to meet Leena.
3/ Someone who signs as Schala Kid writes a diary and marries someone.
4/ Someone that looks like Kid looks for someone or something.
5/ Someone that looks like Schala Kid looks for someone in real life Tokyo and turns back to find you (the player).

Whether some or all of these characters are the same Schala Kid and Serge is unknown and not meant to be answered, as Kato clearly explained. In the end, Kato basically put the canon aside for this ending and just wanted to illustrate the message that you too might meet your own Schala Kid one day.

It's just a magnified "soulmate" idea: the idea that you're destined to one day meet that one particular girl that you've always been looking for and that was always looking for "you". It isn't that far-removed from Xenogears' Contact and Antitype concept, except Xenogears' concept was pseudo-scientific and only applied to Fei and Elly whereas this is more Romantic and universal.
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Re: Serge = Magus
« Reply #47 on: April 21, 2009, 09:02:16 am »
...and THAT my friends is how Serge equals Magus...!

So the vague & mysterious are supposed to be vague & mysterious...I think I knew that deep down somewhere...Maybe it's no wonder we haven't gotten another sequel then...>_>

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Re: Serge = Magus
« Reply #48 on: April 21, 2009, 12:00:34 pm »
Then again, I don't think the team finished up Cross without the intention of someday creating another installment. Perhaps Cross just didn't hit the gamers hard enough in the heart.

However, if there would come a sequel, I'd think there would be once again a new protagonist, and a new setting. Or maybe they had something in mind for Chrono Break that we can't even imagine. Something completely new and radical.

Guess all we can do is wonder about that though.

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Re: Serge = Magus
« Reply #49 on: April 22, 2009, 12:41:36 am »
...Though I still don't completely understand the "Schala 'Kid' Zeal" signature...I don't think I would really understand it even if I thought they did merge though...Perhaps I should examine the diary entry in its full again...

So maybe that diary thing is from a different non-Lavos dimension where Schala was nicknamed Kid somewhere for some reason.

I don't know, I never liked the name "Kid" for an attractive girl anyway.
It's like Serge: "Man, that Kid is hot"
Fargo: "You're a goddamn pedophile!"
Serge: "No, that chick, her name is Kid. Really, it's her NAME I swear!" 
Fargo: "Suuure"

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Re: Serge = Magus
« Reply #50 on: April 22, 2009, 04:59:34 am »
In Japanese it's "Kidd" which actually isn't really a word in Japanese. It would be weird to give her a different name in the US version.

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Re: Serge = Magus
« Reply #51 on: April 22, 2009, 05:23:23 am »
In Japanese it's "Kidd" which actually isn't really a word in Japanese. It would be weird to give her a different name in the US version.

Actually, it's "Kid" in Japan too. Sarah Kid Zeal (a very common first name and two common nouns >_>). But yeah, it isn't a Japanese word either.

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Re: Serge = Magus
« Reply #52 on: April 22, 2009, 08:40:47 am »
That name looks odd, but I bet it is not the oddest one in the series. So why >_>

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Re: Serge = Magus
« Reply #53 on: April 22, 2009, 10:29:46 am »
Presumably Lucca named Kid "Kid." Considering she named a cat-like robot "Gato" (Spanish for Cat, if I recall stuff I learned over 10 years ago correctly), she's not particularly good at naming things.

Lucca: Oh look, I found a kid. I'll name it... KID!

The very fact that the diary is signed with "Kid" in quotes implies that it's a nickname. So either Kid took her "real" name of Schala but kept "Kid," or Schala started to call herself "Kid" in memory of her daughter-clone, or Schala and Kid merged.

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Re: Serge = Magus
« Reply #54 on: April 22, 2009, 10:34:58 am »
But where did the name of "Project Kid" come from?

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Re: Serge = Magus
« Reply #55 on: April 22, 2009, 10:40:59 am »
The very fact that the diary is signed with "Kid" in quotes implies that it's a nickname.

It is a nickname for "Echidna">>"Chid">>"Kid".  Thefore she is the mother of all monsters, thus the mother of lavos thus the mother of the Time Devourer.  And since Schala is Kid and Kid is Schala, Schala is the ultimate evil in the Chronoverse.

We see proof of this in CT:DS, where Schala is giving birth to the Dream Devourer, not merging with it.

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Re: Serge = Magus
« Reply #56 on: April 22, 2009, 12:41:23 pm »
But where did the name of "Project Kid" come from?

A good question. Was Kid named after the Project, the Project named after Kid, or just random coincidence.

Probably the child was named after the project, if anything, which is really weird. That is because there is a school of thought that supposes that Schala spawned kid during the time she tried to reach the real world to save Serge. If Serge's in El Nido, then the Time Crash already happened and Project Kid was go. Though that would require Lucca to be fully aware of Project Kid.

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Re: Serge = Magus
« Reply #57 on: April 22, 2009, 11:45:57 pm »
Maybe "Kid" is Schala's middle name that we were never privy to in CT like how Ashtear is Lucca's last name...?

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Re: Serge = Magus
« Reply #58 on: April 23, 2009, 12:55:25 am »
Possibly, but it seems a bit out of place with names like Masa, Mune, Doreen, Janus, Melchior, Gaspar, Belthasar, and Schala.

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Re: Serge = Magus
« Reply #59 on: April 23, 2009, 01:43:32 am »
What about Grand, Leon, Dream, Jaki, Bosch, Hasch, Gasch, and Sara? It's all just weirdly random as far as I can see...>_>

Kid & Zeal seem to go together somewhat to me anyways...Children could be said to be fairly zealous, yeah?
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