Chrono Chastity

[maggiekarp]

Well, except for Ayla.

[Zephira]

I think Magus would derive his ecstasy from magic anyway. Instead of going out and dominating someone, he would go out and set a village on fire or blow some huge boulders up. Controlled, extreme expenditure of magic is probably as close as you can get to a 'clean' orgasm anyway. Besides, instilling fear through feats of destructive magic works just as well as rape for that need to control others.

[chrono eric]

Well, except for Ayla.

True. Poor, poor Kino.

[mav]

As far as Magus goes, I too think it'd be highly out of character for him to be a rapist. The way he carries himself makes him appear to be rational and level-headed, albeit conceited. In fact, I see him more likely as a victim than an aggressor--especially when he was younger. While he was being tormented (then eventually trained) by Mystics, I'm sure he suffered multiple forms of abuse...and that abuse would probably lead him to grow more isolated...He wouldn't need to rape.

Ozzie, on the other hand, seems like the type that would use his high stature to have sex-slaves, but even he wouldn't force himself onto a woman physically; he'd probably use his status to force women to pleasure him. More akin to a high-ranking, un-classy mobster or something.

[Mr Bekkler]

i think the capability and drive to rape are entirely within his character. serial killers are often sexual deviants.

 the point of revealing he used to be janus was to say that he's so changed that he can't be janus anymore. SOMETHING changed him. some event (he's basically the world's most successful stockholm syndrome case), whether he was raped by ozzie himself or whether ozzie just made him do such things to others. either way, he was a human who turned a 180 and decided to hate humans and wage war with them. for that to happen, he would have to consider himself inhuman, and able to do inhumane things, or perhaps he'd just have to see people as dehumanized animals.

i've always found magus to be comparable to a vampire (widows peak, floating, pale skin, extended canine teeth), and they all have seduction powers anyway.

plus it was war. even current america had guantanamo bay, where alleged terrorists were forced to strip naked and pile onto each other for that infamous photo. these things do happen.

if magus DIDN'T rape anyone, there were at least rumors that he did. a whole world doesn't become afraid of one person for no reason.

[Mr Bekkler]

sorry for the double post, but i just noticed your avatars, maggiekarp. picture of magus/magil and "RAPIST" in bold letters.

HILARIOUS!

[neo-fusion]

Wonder about Schala eh?

[Lord J Esq]

sorry for the double post, but i just noticed your avatars, maggiekarp. picture of magus/magil and "RAPIST" in bold letters.

HILARIOUS!

Oh, that's cute...

[Uboa]

sorry for the double post, but i just noticed your avatars, maggiekarp. picture of magus/magil and "RAPIST" in bold letters.

HILARIOUS!

Yes!

I see what you are saying, addiesin, but I don't know that he really fits the serial killer profile.  To me he fits more of the profile of a person capable of acting out violently as a very emotionally frustrated individual.  I don't know that his upbringing actually warped him to the point where taking up acts of violence and sexual violence as a past time would be of any cathartic value.

And I don't think that stockholm syndrome is really what is at play here with regards to him and Ozzie.  I'm sure he felt like a captive growing up in Zeal around his crazy mother, and I think his ability to deal with that role carried over when he got picked up by Ozzie & Co.  From there it's easy to see how he could have accepted that killing/maiming/torturing and perhaps raping humans (I guess I really never considered this aspect of mystic/human interaction so it's a harder sell for me) was the norm, and the incidencies at Guantanamo and Abu Ghraib are, unfortunately, a fitting model for such learned behavior.  So, I guess what this whole rapist/non-rapist thing hinges on for me is the question of how far Ozzie & co pushed him, and how quickly.  Were they really that f-ed up?

I think at some point he woke up and realized that this was not what he really wanted, because he did at least have a good role model in Schala as a young lad.  At that point I'm thinking he formulated his own goals which culminated in his attempt at summoning Lavos.  Hopefully this did occur before he really had it in him to actually rape anyone.


The vampire imagery surrounding Magus is a little confusing, because it seems like an attempt to make him into something just that much more monstrous more than anything.  I definitely don't get many "Anne Rice"-type vibes from him with regards to seductive ability, considering the kinds of emotional impairments he must have.  He's mysterious and dark, granted, but something tells me that his earliest relationships, whatever they were, must have been awkward as hell for him just as they are for most people, if not more so.  He was probably very pushy and demanding, and coupled with his monstrous nature and power I could see him being overbearing and possibly violent with an early lover, and in this light being capable of committing something close to rape.  But, I'd imagine it would probably be out of confusion more than anything.

[FouCapitan]

plus it was war. even current america had guantanamo bay, where alleged terrorists were forced to strip naked and pile onto each other for that infamous photo. these things do happen.

That was in Abu Ghraib, Iraq, not Guantanimo.  The prison was shut down shortly afterwards and several actions were taken in response to those who carried out the atrocities.

But to successfully relate this to your argument, I'm sure in a rated M for Mature Chrono game, the monsters in Magus' army probably committed similar atrocities towards humans in addition to killing them, but I still don't count Magus as the type to carry out such acts himself.

[Mr Bekkler]

plus it was war. even current america had guantanamo bay, where alleged terrorists were forced to strip naked and pile onto each other for that infamous photo. these things do happen.

That was in Abu Ghraib, Iraq, not Guantanimo.  The prison was shut down shortly afterwards and several actions were taken in response to those who carried out the atrocities.

But to successfully relate this to your argument, I'm sure in a rated M for Mature Chrono game, the monsters in Magus' army probably committed similar atrocities towards humans in addition to killing them, but I still don't count Magus as the type to carry out such acts himself.

my bad. but it did happen.

Wonder about Schala eh?

i always figured she was either like a closet freak or just a prude. lucca too. both very shy girls, which means they're either introspective or hiding something

[utunnels]

On a side note, if there ever was any canonical evidence of Magus being a rapist, he would definitely not be all that cool anymore.

So true, so true. I don't think I need any other reasons. 

[Uboa]

But to successfully relate this to your argument, I'm sure in a rated M for Mature Chrono game, the monsters in Magus' army probably committed similar atrocities towards humans in addition to killing them, but I still don't count Magus as the type to carry out such acts himself.

Talk about other universes... The "Rated M" Chrono universe.  It almost seems to weird to think about.

Edit:  Zeality, will this get a Topic Review??

[mav]

But to successfully relate this to your argument, I'm sure in a rated M for Mature Chrono game, the monsters in Magus' army probably committed similar atrocities towards humans in addition to killing them, but I still don't count Magus as the type to carry out such acts himself.

I agree--and even in the real world, when you hear about things like Abu Ghraib, you don't hear about high-ranking soldiers committing the atrocities. It's too detrimental to their status--I'd expect more low level soldiers to be the ones committing rape and murder, not the higher ups. Part of that could be the fact that some of these soldiers have/will have to physically engage in war, whereas some higher-ups may just make militaristic decisions from far off. I'm with Fou: I wouldn't be too surprised if some of Magus's cronies committed such acts.

Oh and Magus most certainly does not come off as a serial killer. Maybe a genocidal tyrant, and that's a stretch, but he's no serial killer.

[maggiekarp]

sorry for the double post, but i just noticed your avatars, maggiekarp. picture of magus/magil and "RAPIST" in bold letters.

HILARIOUS!

You probably didn't mean it, but you bring up something I think is important to remember when considering Magus's character. After the events of Trigger he can "develop" into two characters (that we've seen): Magil and Guile.

If you say Magus is/was a rapist, you also say Magil and Guile were rapists.