Author Topic: Chrono Chastity  (Read 6648 times)

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Re: Chrono Chastity
« Reply #60 on: March 30, 2009, 10:48:51 am »
I think it's important to consider the idea that Magus didn't really think of Ozzie as a father, more of a tool to get to Lavos. I seriously doubt Magus of all people would seriously respect Ozzie on any level.

Some people can have a parental figure absent from their life and not seek it out in other people, it happens. Of course I also think of Schala as more of the mother figure in his life, but that's a relationship very much open to interpretation.

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Re: Chrono Chastity
« Reply #61 on: March 30, 2009, 12:56:07 pm »
In my opinion, Ozzie wasn't a father figure to Magus but he may have acted as a mentor (at least for a little bit). I mentioned that the two probably had mutual respect for each other (again, at least temporarily), but I think maggiekarp is right: Magus probably never respected Ozzie. In fact, I'm sure that once Magus realized what his plan was, Ozzie became just another pawn in his scheme; Magus appeased Ozzie to gain his trust, approval, and resources and then went onward with his mission. Ozzie was integral for Magus to wage the Mystic War and attain the resources he needed to achieve his goal, but that in no way means Ozzie was a father figure. These may just be my opinions, but either way I can't look at Magus and Ozzie's relationship as a father-and-son relationship. It's more reminiscent of a president or prime minister and his general.

And as far as the "town drunk" scenario goes, I don't think Magus respected Ozzie enough to emulate his leadership, nor do I think he even cared enough to bother raping. Magus just seemed to uninvolved in the War--yes, the Mystics idolized him, but did he ever actually fight? Ozzie did: Ozzie may have interrogated prisoners of war, Ozzie may have eaten, murdered, and tortured various people, and he may have even crossed the line into sexual transgression. Ozzie would have done all this while Magus simply stayed in the castle doing his summoning and whatnot. And that's because Magus wasn't as involved in the military as Ozzie was.

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Re: Chrono Chastity
« Reply #62 on: March 30, 2009, 02:39:32 pm »
In my opinion, Ozzie wasn't a father figure to Magus

Not powerful adult Magus, but perhaps young impressionable Janus?


Ozzie was integral for Magus to wage the Mystic War and attain the resources he needed to achieve his goal,

Magus was integral for Ozzie to wage the Mystic War. Magus wasn't a Mystic, and if he never met Ozzie, he never would have waged war on anything. The war would still happen, the humans would just win sooner without the Mystics' strong leader.


I will give you that Magus is very self-restrained. He knows what he's capable of, and doesn't necessarily take advantage of that at every opportunity, so he probably wouldn't have raped anyone, all things considered.

Ozzie, Flea, and Slash, definitely rapists. And they probably raped Janus as a boy, or at least abused him. If they didn't then Ozzie would have had to make Janus want to stay with him, because even a kid knows how to run away from a stranger. That's where I was getting the whole father figure thing from. I suppose it depends on specifically how old Janus was during the Ocean Palace incident.

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Re: Chrono Chastity
« Reply #63 on: March 30, 2009, 07:03:38 pm »
In my opinion, Ozzie wasn't a father figure to Magus

Not powerful adult Magus, but perhaps young impressionable Janus?
You know what, I'm gonna struggle on this one. I don't think Magus respected Ozzie enough to consider him a father--that's why I'd think Ozzie would act as more of a mentor. Hell, you're supposed to respect your mentors, but I really think Magus (and even a young Janus) would be using the relationship for his own motives. He was probably willing to learn from Ozzie, and took those lessons seriously, but I doubt Magus turned to Ozzie the way a child would turn to his father.

Magus was integral for Ozzie to wage the Mystic War. Magus wasn't a Mystic, and if he never met Ozzie, he never would have waged war on anything. The war would still happen, the humans would just win sooner without the Mystics' strong leader.
Eh, I shouldn't have said Magus waged the war, but I think Magus participated in the War the way he did for resources (whether it's the Magic Cave, minions, or whatever). You made a great point though, Ozzie definitely needed Magus for the war: he was the perfect figure to act as their spiritual leader. The Mystics revered Magus in an almost insensible ways...


And as far as Slash's and Flea's sexualities go, I don't know what to say. Would they rape? I dunno--Slash seems very reserved and sort of humble, but Flea is just a strange case. I don't want to assume that his strange mannerisms make him a rapist, but they kinda help define his sexual identity...I don't think they're virgins though...

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Re: Chrono Chastity
« Reply #64 on: March 31, 2009, 04:31:26 am »
Slash seemed to be very much a psychotic sadist, even moreso in the new translation clearing up his activities as a necromancer.  His treatment of humans, raising them from the dead and forcing them to kill each other over and over for entertainment for example, shows him as a controlling freak, which definitely fits the profile of someone who would engage in raping a victim, probably in an unsavory and violent manner as well.

Flea was, well, delightfully confused in the head.  A shapeshifting transvestite who used mind control attacks predominantly.  Already we see a strong alternative sexual lifestyle just in his appearance, add to that the ability to control minds and that's a recipe for taking advantage of victims handed right to him.  I could definitely see Flea keeping a few enemy soldiers as "pets" after reducing their minds to jelly.

Ozzy is a bit harder to come up with a conclusion on, since most of what we see of him in the game is just comic relief material.  I know most imagine him in the Jabba the Hutt scenario, keeping a slave girl by his side to do his 'bidding' while he sips wine.  From what we do see of him in game, he's a pushy boss type who loves having an army of goons at his disposal, yet lacks the spine or strength to do anything himself.  His figure also throws in a likely gluttonous lifestyle of indulgence, and that certainly parallels the Jabba situation.

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Re: Chrono Chastity
« Reply #65 on: April 02, 2009, 09:58:24 am »
Lavos.

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Re: Chrono Chastity
« Reply #66 on: April 02, 2009, 10:23:35 am »
Lavos.
Lavos raped the earth.  Not a virgin.

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Re: Chrono Chastity
« Reply #67 on: April 02, 2009, 12:47:25 pm »
http://www.chronocompendium.com/Term/Magus.html

Who did this? It's pretty funny, but I'm not sure it is completely necessary.

example:
 [Magus]
   If history is to change, let it change! If
   the world is to be destroyed, so be it!

   If my fate is to be a rapist...
   I must simply laugh!!

   I'm coming, Lavos!

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Re: Chrono Chastity
« Reply #68 on: April 02, 2009, 12:50:15 pm »
On that same page: Just do a ctrl+F search for "rap" and you will get tons of hits...

Someone was having fun...but the culprit apparently saved the original article or so it says on the bottom.
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Re: Chrono Chastity
« Reply #69 on: April 02, 2009, 01:03:56 pm »
Ten years before 600 A.D., he slew the head knight of Guardia, Cyrus, and changed his squire Glenn to a Frog. The two were attempting to acquire the Masamune, a legendary sword thought to be the only weapon that could defeat Magus. It is widely believed he later went home and raped several peasant wenches. In 600 A.D., Magus completed his preparations and attempted to summon Lavos. Crono and Frog, believing he created Lavos in the Middle Ages, interrupted him (possibly mid-rape) at his lair and battled him at length.

Hilarious.

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Re: Chrono Chastity
« Reply #70 on: April 02, 2009, 01:20:58 pm »
I was wondering how long it would take folks to notice, I was kinda hoping it'd stay like that for months >>

I'll change it back on Saturday if that's alright.

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Re: Chrono Chastity
« Reply #71 on: April 02, 2009, 01:29:21 pm »
You FIEND!



I don't mind at all, actually. It is really funny. Especially from the perspective of a non-CT savvy lurker.

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Re: Chrono Chastity
« Reply #72 on: April 02, 2009, 10:05:46 pm »
That's just evil.
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Re: Chrono Chastity
« Reply #73 on: April 03, 2009, 01:50:51 am »
I got huge lols out of that Maggie.

Quote
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   If the world's gonna
   be destroyed, then let
   it be destroyed!
   If history is gonna be
   changed, then let it
   bloody well be changed!
   I'll show you what
   Rapist Rape-rapies
   really dream about!