Dream Devourer ending links Magus to Guile?

[mav]

I think it's implied that Serge is trying to access these memories but can't make sense of 'em or something of the like. And perhaps he'd forget them in time, like Dark Serge just mentioned. Magus, on the other hand just dropped his memories all together...so it's completely possible that Magus (as Guile) found what he was looking for at the end of Cross and had those memories wiped out as well. So he's pretty much back to Guile at this point. Unless he's given some kind of anti-amnesiac immunity by the end of it all...

[Enigma Outlaw]

What do we know about Guile so far? He's in the Magician's Guild, he wears a mask, has green eyes, blue hair, kinda tan, shadow/black affinity, very skilled in magic, can float.. Anything about his past life or backstory?

Funny you should mention the green eyes bit.......

Janus' natural eye color was green after all. Not to mention the little bit Mav mentioned in his post:

"He's a 26 year-old adventure-seeker from the Zenan Mainland, whose Home World counterpart isn't mentioned in the slightest. What else...he's the rising star of that Guild...other than that, we don't know too much."

Let's break it down. We assume Magus/Janus ends up in what appears to be Guardia Forest in the new ending so that links up with Guile calling the Zenan Mainland home. Janus during the Ocean Palace incident appears to be about six years old. Assuming the gate drops him in Truce Canyon 20 years prior to Trigger this makes the year 580 AD. That in turn would put him at the right age in Trigger. Of course one would be quick to point out the 20 year difference between CT and CC would put him at 46. However this is Magus we are talking about. His appearence as the Fiendlord is greatly altered as his appearence as a boy. What's to say that he couldn't eventually change his features back to what they should have been? Plus if Magus/Janus could alter his looks to appear more demonic then why not to appear younger? Shadow/Black is a no brainer as is blue hair. The kicker for me is the Home World part. It's been a good 7 or 8 years since I last played Cross so I could be wrong but if my memory serves me correctly isn't Another World the "true" world where Crono and company fight Lavos? And as Mav said in another post when you take away all of the horrible memories that would have made Janus into Magus what would you get? Being of royal blood I would see an older Janus as being quite refined which is something that Guile appears to be. Plus he sure as hell wouldn't be dressed like a moody vampire/warlock. Perhaps a nice suit which come to think of it is something that you always see Guile in.

Sorry guys but I'm convinced......age aside (but easily explained)I'm about 99% sure Guile=Magus/Janus ^_~

[Mr Bekkler]

It's never stated that the unified timeline cancels all the events in CC. In fact, it would be ridicilous. It was merely stated that the dimensions were merged and Serge supposedly lost his memories. But he didn't.

What do you mean with "he didn't"? Serge doesn't loose his memories??
I thought time was sorta rewinded after the game finishes so that things start over right at the point where Leena and Serge are on the beach.

But I don't think that would affect Guile's memories in any way. It's just a couple of days that ceased to exist. But Guile had already lost his memories by then

It's not just a couple of days. The timelines start when Serge dies. That's a ten year gap Magus could have used to go to the DBT, try to free Schala, get kicked out w/o a memory, and find that he happens to be good with magic (and Illusions, MiCHAEL). Then it would only be a hop, skip, and a ferry ride to El Nido, also within that ten year gap. If the timelines were merged and these events took place within that ten years, Guile would cease to exist in either timeline.

[V_Translanka]

What do we know about Guile so far? He's in the Magician's Guild, he wears a mask, has green eyes, blue hair, kinda tan, shadow/black affinity, very skilled in magic, can float.. Anything about his past life or backstory?

Funny you should mention the green eyes bit.......

Janus' natural eye color was green after all.

I think you've gotta take the anime sequences with a grain of salt...They're just barely canon at all as far as I'm concerned...

idk if I've said yet or not, but I think the ending opens it up for Magus to be Gil/Magil more than Alf/Guile...I think the maybe that it's Guile is still just as much there (though officially it's been said otherwise, sooooooo...), but the fact that he's Gil/Magil is cemented (not that it wasn't already I guess).

[utunnels]

 

Before I saw this topic, I always thought the green eyes were supposed to be parts of the golden mask.

And I still believe that.

[Chrono'99]

idk if I've said yet or not, but I think the ending opens it up for Magus to be Gil/Magil more than Alf/Guile...I think the maybe that it's Guile is still just as much there (though officially it's been said otherwise, sooooooo...), but the fact that he's Gil/Magil is cemented (not that it wasn't already I guess).

Magil is from a different timeline altogether. In the RD timeline, Schala went straight from the Ocean Palace to the 11th century, with the "hands of her clock" turning back and her memories scattered, and she became Kid. There was no Lavos/Schala fusion.

[chrono eric]

We could debate the Magus = Guile thing till the end of time, and it is certainly fun, but the fact remains that until this is officially clarified the arguments will always end in a stalemate.

That said, I tend to side with the Magus = Guile crowd on this one. It seems extraordinarily likely to me that that is one of the things the new ending meant to connect.

magic (and Illusions, MiCHAEL)

A misquote, I think  . I'm fairly sure that almost every time Michael called them "tricks". And everyone knows that tricks are what a whore does for money...(*looks at children*)...aaaand cocaine. Ha, one of the greatest shows ever. Although I like It's Always Sunny just a tad better.

[V_Translanka]

We could debate the Magus = Guile thing till the end of time, and it is certainly fun, but the fact remains that until this is officially clarified the arguments will always end in a stalemate.

Only we have official statements saying that Guile is not Magus. Currently the argument's basis is on a possible retcon.

[Enigma Outlaw]

I think you've gotta take the anime sequences with a grain of salt...They're just barely canon at all as far as I'm concerned...

Granted the scene where Crono gets the blasted into nothing by Lavos is debatable but one needs to remember that Bird Studios is Akira Toriyama's animation company. If you can find me a color drawing of Janus by AT where his eye color is NOT green I may have to conceed on this one. However this does need to be said again. Granted many people have green eyes and blue is a common hair color in anime and manga. However the combination of blue hair and green eyes along with so many other similar things between these two characters leads me to believe we are looking at a very possible retcon in the near future.

[maggiekarp]

I don't take the animated sequences as canon because Janus is chipper as a chipmunk when he's telling them someone's gonna die.

As for Janus's eye color in AT art, they seem to be the same poorly defined grayish color as Schala's. So... whatever color Schala's eyes are said to be canonically, Janus would have the same. I lean towards blue these days, mostly because it looks better and Kid has very obviously blue eyes.

It's hard having an argument about official color schemes in Chrono Trigger, though. In some art Magus has blue skin and white hair, Lucca's brunette in her menu icon, and no one can agree on whether Marle is blond or red-headed.

(her hair is orange because they need it for the hero rainbow)

[Mr Bekkler]

Color scheme is completely relative to location, setting, and mood. That's in any art. If you want canon colors, look at the portraits with white backgrounds. That's what they look like under normal light.

Although there is that poster that I have a problem with... I made a motivational about it.

[desrever]

That's common knowledge. Everbody knows Marle can use fire techs.

[IAmSerge]

...wait, theres something non-canonical about the Lavos vs Crono animated scene?

do explain, please?

[Mr Bekkler]

That's common knowledge. Everbody knows Marle can use fire techs.

Notice Heckran in 12,000BC...
(also the fire never comes from Marle's finger, their costumes are wintery, almost nobody has triple techs when they fight Heckran, and when they do, it's before you can get Frog, and it's in a cave, and it's in 1000ad.)

from http://www.chronocompendium.com/Forums/index.php/topic,6168.225.html

...wait, theres something non-canonical about the Lavos vs Crono animated scene?

do explain, please?

The animated scenes were not done by Toriyama himself, nor were they overseen by Kato. They were added later, by Toriyama's studio, for the Playstation release. There are things in the videos that are not as they are in-game. For example, Ayla has a club in her intro scene. I'm not sure exactly what they mean with Janus's eye color, but it always struck me as odd that Crono's soul spark thing sticks around in the SNES cutscene, but in the PSX video, it floats straight up. Little things. Nuumamonja may have been made by the same studio, and is close to canon, but not quite, as it shows Johnny in the year 1000AD.

[desrever]

That's common knowledge. Everbody knows Marle can use fire techs.

Notice Heckran in 12,000BC...
(also the fire never comes from Marle's finger, their costumes are wintery, almost nobody has triple techs when they fight Heckran, and when they do, it's before you can get Frog, and it's in a cave, and it's in 1000ad.)

from http://www.chronocompendium.com/Forums/index.php/topic,6168.225.html

Wow, that picture FAILS.