Masa, Mune, and Doreen

[Legend of the Past]

Precisely.

[JossiRossi]

Seeing as in the battle against Masamune to get the sword in CT the sword disappears as Masa and Mune emerge.  Once they are vanquished you see the sword in its true form.  That would mean only when Masa and Mune are not in the physical form the sword exists.  So Masa and Mune must be the sword.

Interesting, but how do you explain the fact that Melchior did not forge the Masa Mune? I mean Melchior made the ruby knife (or what ever it was) but that was not some labor of love or dreams, it had a single purpose, to destroy the mammon machine. So maybe a part of Melchior was in the knife and that was enhanced by the mammon machine?

[Legend of the Past]

He crafted into it all of his passion and hope, and it all accumalated in the single moment he threw the knife. It WAS a work of dreams and hopes, and the only material that can actually be worked with in such a task is Dreamstone. Those hopes and dreams took the form of the three spirits, which form a Dreamstone based weapon when used. It can be a knife, a sword, a swallow, even an effing fork. (Imagine Quina Quen wielding the Mastermune).

[ChronoMagus]

Exactly.  The dreamstone is merely the medium used to create the weapon.

[Legend of the Past]

Ah, coulden't of said it better myself.

[Lordchander]

Lets throw something else to this mix. Alright in CT the Masamune is split into two pieces right? I wonder does this mean that Masa and Mune were perhaps seperated and stuck within their own pieces of the blade. This also allowed Melchior to use the Dreamstone to physically repair the sword.

Because I think that you couldnt necessarily repair such a thing because it is always changing shape depending on what the user wanted so say if the sword had a minor problem with it, say there was a massive chip had came off it you'd think Melchior or wat not could just kinda "hope" the sword to repair itself. I know that may seem a bit strange but I hope you can understand what I mean.

[Zaperking]

Lets throw something else to this mix. Alright in CT the Masamune is split into two pieces right? I wonder does this mean that Masa and Mune were perhaps seperated and stuck within their own pieces of the blade. This also allowed Melchior to use the Dreamstone to physically repair the sword.

Because I think that you couldnt necessarily repair such a thing because it is always changing shape depending on what the user wanted so say if the sword had a minor problem with it, say there was a massive chip had came off it you'd think Melchior or wat not could just kinda "hope" the sword to repair itself. I know that may seem a bit strange but I hope you can understand what I mean.

Except that dreamstone doesn't grant wishes. Masa and Mune are most likely Melchiors dreams come alive thanks to the power of Lavos. That power embeded in the sword helped Masa and Mune to make it into that shape that they desired. You can't just make dreams come true out of nothing. That's why we have Lavos and the Flame's power for such things.

[Legend of the Past]

. Masa and Mune are most likely Melchiors dreams come alive thanks to the power of Lavos.

That could work IF you didn't see them before they came in contact with Lavos.

I think the Masamune shattered because of Cyrus' untimely death. His dreams and hopes probably weren't strong enough to defeat Magus, which discouraged him and caused the Sword to shatter. By adding more Dreamstone and empowering it with more dreams, ta-da, the sword is 'whole' again. They weren't seperated or anything, they just left half for Glenn (For him to guard) and half for themselves... Not that they let him know, of course!

[Zaperking]

. Masa and Mune are most likely Melchiors dreams come alive thanks to the power of Lavos.

That could work IF you didn't see them before they came in contact with Lavos.

I think the Masamune shattered because of Cyrus' untimely death. His dreams and hopes probably weren't strong enough to defeat Magus, which discouraged him and caused the Sword to shatter. By adding more Dreamstone and empowering it with more dreams, ta-da, the sword is 'whole' again. They weren't seperated or anything, they just left half for Glenn (For him to guard) and half for themselves... Not that they let him know, of course!

No, I meant that when Lavos' power was first discovered, that may have been when Melchior's dreams came true.

[ChronoMagus]

. Masa and Mune are most likely Melchiors dreams come alive thanks to the power of Lavos.

That could work IF you didn't see them before they came in contact with Lavos.

I think the Masamune shattered because of Cyrus' untimely death. His dreams and hopes probably weren't strong enough to defeat Magus, which discouraged him and caused the Sword to shatter. By adding more Dreamstone and empowering it with more dreams, ta-da, the sword is 'whole' again. They weren't seperated or anything, they just left half for Glenn (For him to guard) and half for themselves... Not that they let him know, of course!

No, I meant that when Lavos' power was first discovered, that may have been when Melchior's dreams came true.

Well we do see them for the first time (chronogically relative to the timeline, not relative to the events that the player goes through) at the palace, before the Ocean Palace in 12000 BC, and there was the mammon machine inside of the original palace.  The Mammon Machine may have indirectly or directly created Masa, Mune, and Doreen.

[Legend of the Past]

Nah, I think they were crafted out of Dreamstone. Like Melchior used Dreamstone from before Lavos even landed to mend the sword (And empower the three spirits), so he could of created them, along with the Ruby Knife.

[Zaperking]

Nah, I think they were crafted out of Dreamstone. Like Melchior used Dreamstone from before Lavos even landed to mend the sword (And empower the three spirits), so he could of created them, along with the Ruby Knife.

Except that it seems that he created the ruby knife after he was released from his imprisonment.

[Legend of the Past]

Sure, he'd have access to Dreamstone and working tools outside of his home in Zeal.

[Chrono'99]

Nah, I think they were crafted out of Dreamstone. Like Melchior used Dreamstone from before Lavos even landed to mend the sword (And empower the three spirits), so he could of created them, along with the Ruby Knife.

Except that it seems that he created the ruby knife after he was released from his imprisonment.

Really? how do you know, maybe he forged it earlier.

[Lordchander]

I know this may sound strange (which it probably is knowing me) but what if the Dreamstone, the one used to mend the Sword (which was in 65 mil before Lavos landed) was different to the Dreamstone that was used to originally create the Ruby Knife?