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Re: So... Do you dream?
« Reply #15 on: April 11, 2009, 11:22:22 pm »
Hmm, let me think.  Yes I dream often, I get the feeling everyone does just don't always remember it.

I have the craziest dreams.  For example there was the time I was Shrek heading back to the swamp only to find that it is crawling with Borg. 

I've only been lucid like once and it was only for a very short time.  If I remember correctly the only thing I got to control was that I got a Wii for a short bit.  Then I woke up.  Grr.

I don't always remember them that well, but when I do, more than half the time they're that bizarre.
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Re: So... Do you dream?
« Reply #16 on: April 11, 2009, 11:51:49 pm »
I wish I could have a lucid dream, since I am so interested in altered states of consciousness and exploring those states. But unfortunately, I never have had one. And to be honest, I am skeptical when many people claim they have had lucid dreams. I think it is likely that a "true" lucid dream experience is much more rare.

Watch the film "Waking Life" if you can stand the visuals. Altered states of consciousness was an interest of mine, but I've never been a fan of mushrooms, salvia is annoying, and I felt like LSD made me crazy so I haven't done that stuff in at least a year. In the film, they suggest trying a light switch in a dream. If it doesn't work, you're dreaming. And if you can realize that, then you can take control. This does work. I've only done it once.



However, when I was in college, my friends and I had internet and disposable income, and researched Erowid, a website about drugs, specifically the chemicals in them, and how they work.

There is an herb called Calea Zacatechichi and it's supposed to promote lucid dreaming. We found it, it's legal, and we got some to try. I believe it was an extract. We were unclear on the dosage, but either way it doesn't get you "high" at all. It tasted nasty but we smoked it anyway and passed it around sitting in a circle in a friend's apartment, having a normal conversation. We decided enough was enough and we went our separate ways to go home and sleep.

That night, we shared a collective conscious state.
If you don't know what that means, it means we talked to each other in our dream, and we all had the SAME dream. We were all back in that room, not dreaming weird off the wall stuff like flying or being in a castle or fighting monsters, but sitting in the apartment and continuing our conversation from before. The next day, some of us started talking and we realized what happened. We remembered the same person saying the same thing from the dream, not real life, but in more than one dream.

If the brain is a computer, this herb made a LAN out of our heads. I could barely believe it, but I suggest trying it. It's very safe, easy to get, and it works.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calea_zacatechichi
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Re: So... Do you dream?
« Reply #17 on: April 12, 2009, 12:07:56 am »
Yeah, I think I'll pass on that. But anyways, yes our brains are like computers. When we enter sleep mode we sometimes turn on only inside the computer. Our body is still shut off so we cannot react to outside things. Sometimes while in a dream mode we get a sudden jolt or falling sensation. This is sent throughout the whole system turning the body on, thus making it react according to the action in the dream. The jolt of the body is strong enough to wake us up and the action is so in sink that we wake as if we had just done the action in real life.

Basically, if you feel a sudden jolt in you dream, like you jumped, you're going to wake up feeling as if you actually done it.

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Re: So... Do you dream?
« Reply #18 on: April 12, 2009, 12:46:31 am »
Watch the film "Waking Life" if you can stand the visuals. Altered states of consciousness was an interest of mine, but I've never been a fan of mushrooms, salvia is annoying, and I felt like LSD made me crazy so I haven't done that stuff in at least a year. In the film, they suggest trying a light switch in a dream. If it doesn't work, you're dreaming. And if you can realize that, then you can take control. This does work. I've only done it once.



However, when I was in college, my friends and I had internet and disposable income, and researched Erowid, a website about drugs, specifically the chemicals in them, and how they work.

There is an herb called Calea Zacatechichi and it's supposed to promote lucid dreaming. We found it, it's legal, and we got some to try. I believe it was an extract. We were unclear on the dosage, but either way it doesn't get you "high" at all. It tasted nasty but we smoked it anyway and passed it around sitting in a circle in a friend's apartment, having a normal conversation. We decided enough was enough and we went our separate ways to go home and sleep.

That night, we shared a collective conscious state.
If you don't know what that means, it means we talked to each other in our dream, and we all had the SAME dream. We were all back in that room, not dreaming weird off the wall stuff like flying or being in a castle or fighting monsters, but sitting in the apartment and continuing our conversation from before. The next day, some of us started talking and we realized what happened. We remembered the same person saying the same thing from the dream, not real life, but in more than one dream.
Very neat post. I had the opposite thoughts on Waking Life though - loved the visuals, hated the Philosophy 101 dialogue. Reminded me of that book, Ishmael. Nicely written in parts, but shallow.

That Calea Zacatechichi sounds like impressive stuff! Your experience reminds me a lot of one described in a book called 'Wizard of the Upper Amazon'. It's the memoir of a guy who's visiting or working (can't remember) at a rubber plant in South America, in 1907. They get attacked by tribesmen and take the author back to their village with them, and he lives there for something like 8 years before escaping. The most vivid scenes though, are of when he and the tribesmen would indulge in something called Banisteriopsis caapi - a powerful hallucinogen found in the Amazon rainforest. I think the author went on to become a spiritual healer after his escape.

As for dreams, I went for years where I struggled to remember any of them, but in the last 8 months or so, they've been quite vivid and bizarre. Some of them almost cartoonish in their over-the-top violence, as was the case in a dream where I watched the Toronto Maple Leafs get mauled to death by overgrown prairie dogs, during an overseas NHL match in Austria (of all places...).  :shock: I've also been having a lot of lucid dreams, which never used to be the case before this year. I think it has to do with my sleep patterns having grown more erratic, bordering on insomnia at times. Leaves you in an altered state of consciousness as you start to doze...

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Re: So... Do you dream?
« Reply #19 on: April 12, 2009, 01:03:31 am »
hehe

Consciousness + sleep = what the hell is going on

In this case it means you're dreaming, and if you know you're dreaming, why not why not control it?

Lucid dream + control =  :lee: dude...

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Re: So... Do you dream?
« Reply #20 on: April 12, 2009, 01:04:35 am »
OOOOOOOOOHHHHHH MMYYYYYYYYY GOOOOODDD!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yes. This category is perfect for me.

I dream. Every night. And everyone of these dreams is very bizarre, yet interesting in their own ways. I like to keep track of my dreams by writing them down ASAP. I have as many lucid dreams as I do non-lucid dreams.
Lucid dreams, I've had them. Specially as a little kid. I'd always have the perfect dream. However, parents and me found that for some odd reason. I couldn't wake up. My parents thought I was dead one time when it happened because I wasn't doing what I knew woulkd wake me. These dreams that I couldn't wake from I'd awaken but only when I'd go into my parents' bedroom, and under the covers and sheets and everything was something(different every time)terrifying. More often than not it was whatever I was afraid of the most at the time(so very often it was Pennywise the Clown, that bastard).

It'd be a looooooong time to write em but I have stacks of my dreams written down. A dream journal if you will. I actually more recently had one involving some Chrono Trigger! I wasn't it, it just played like the game. Cept everyone was out at the same time. However Lucca, Marle, and Robo weren't in there for some reason. They were taking on these goblins a group from earlier in my dream had already fought and I assume died while fighting(as well as some creepy broken androids, and an army of ghosts).

Anyone interested?

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Re: So... Do you dream?
« Reply #21 on: April 12, 2009, 03:00:12 am »
Sweet, this is only like the 5th dream thread someone's made in the General Discussion forum! lol

Anyways, yes, I dream...I haven't remembered dreams recently, though. I can usually induce dreams (or at least induce the remembering), but never control them once I'm in them.

I dream about random junk mostly.

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Re: So... Do you dream?
« Reply #22 on: April 12, 2009, 05:48:28 am »
I dream about sick and strange shit.

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Re: So... Do you dream?
« Reply #23 on: April 12, 2009, 06:33:51 am »
I dream about sick and strange shit.
Same here.  Some of them are so bizzare and disturbing.

For example, I had one dream where for some reason I had to dissect my cat while he was still alive.  The strangest thing was he didn't seem to mind or feel pain at all.

God I miss that cat.  Rest easy everyone, he died of old age after 21 years.

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Re: So... Do you dream?
« Reply #24 on: April 12, 2009, 12:37:16 pm »
I just had the dream of my teeth falling out one by one..

I looked up what it means, and I found out that my life files perfectly into each of the dream's possible meanings. >.>
The dream was actually rather creepy. >.>

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Re: So... Do you dream?
« Reply #25 on: April 12, 2009, 06:30:38 pm »
Usually dreams are based on what you were thinking most about before you sleep. Although , if you weren't thinking about much before sleeping than your brain will randomly pick topics and mesh them together. So that's why most dreams are bizarre and completely random. An example for me of dreaming on what what I was previously thinking about happened about a week ago. In the compendium I did something that I thought would totally piss someone off to a major extent. 2 days later I had a dream in which Zeality and Ramsus were having a discussion about how there are so many people on the compendium and tha was geetting over crowded. Ramsus had come up with a reason to ban me and conspired to do it. Thank every thing that is good and holy that it was just a dream.

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Re: So... Do you dream?
« Reply #26 on: April 12, 2009, 06:43:26 pm »
Although , if you weren't thinking about much before sleeping than your brain will randomly pick topics and mesh them together. So that's why most dreams are bizarre and completely random.

So that's why many of my dreams are like that...

Usually dreams are based on what you were thinking most about before you sleep.

And that's another explanation. Like one day, I was playing a Fire Emblem game, and before going to sleep I was thinking of continuing it or not after having reached a certain point.

And my dream was precisely me continuing playing it from where I stopped.

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Re: So... Do you dream?
« Reply #27 on: April 12, 2009, 06:45:09 pm »
I particularly enjoy scary dreams. Especially dreams when I'm being chased. I find them enjoyable and fun. Just the other day, I had a dream where I was arrested for some honest mistake (I think I took what I thought was a free handout of something, only to find that they reported I stole it to the cops). My girlfriend helped me escape from the cuffs somehow, and the rest of the dream involved us running from the cops all over a strange dream town that I had never been in before. At the end of the dream I got caught and arrested, and I woke up at that time thinking "man, that was a good dream". Ha  :D

Altered states of consciousness was an interest of mine, but I've never been a fan of mushrooms, salvia is annoying, and I felt like LSD made me crazy so I haven't done that stuff in at least a year.

You should have been around for the "Spiritual Uses of Entheogenic Drugs" thread I created awhile back. You may be able to still find it. I think me and you will get along just fine here.

If you do each of these correctly and in the proper dosage, they can reward you with a life-transforming spiritual experience. Yes, even salvia. I found salvia to be the most rewarding. But also the most difficult for my psyche to handle.

There is an herb called Calea Zacatechichi and it's supposed to promote lucid dreaming. We found it, it's legal, and we got some to try. I believe it was an extract. We were unclear on the dosage, but either way it doesn't get you "high" at all. It tasted nasty but we smoked it anyway and passed it around sitting in a circle in a friend's apartment, having a normal conversation. We decided enough was enough and we went our separate ways to go home and sleep.

Erowid is a good database to find out about such things. I am aware of Calea, but unfortunately I have never been able to acquire any. I don't trust internet venders, and if I ever had the chance to get any I would want to grow it up and make the extractions myself. I believe that is an important part of the spiritual experience. It makes you put work, care, and effort into it, and you enter into the trip with a better state of mind.

I have noticed a definite difference in dream intensity and recollection after entheogenic experiences - especially with some Shulgin phenethylamines. But I've never had what I would consider to be a true lucid dream experience, like the one that you describe.

The most vivid scenes though, are of when he and the tribesmen would indulge in something called Banisteriopsis caapi - a powerful hallucinogen found in the Amazon rainforest. I think the author went on to become a spiritual healer after his escape.

Banisteriopsis caapi is better known as Ayahuasca, but it just contains the monoamine oxidase inhibitor. You have to mix it with another plant, preferably Psychotria viridis, to introduce the psychoactive dimethyltryptamine (DMT). Bekkler mentioned Salvia earlier - DMT and Salvia offer about the same level of intensity and produce incredible spiritual experiences. But DMT, unfortunately, is illegal in the United States. You can still buy Ayahuasca though, which is amusing to me.

And right along these lines of thought:

Perhaps your own life is nothing but a lucid dream. :lol:

All of subjective reality is an illusory projection of the brain. No better or no more real, I'd say, than a dream. And perhaps only marginally representative of "objective" reality at that. Go try some of what we were talking about and watch that reality shatter before your eyes.  :D


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Re: So... Do you dream?
« Reply #28 on: April 12, 2009, 10:08:40 pm »
Once in a while I'll have a lucid dream where it continues from an older dream, like a new chapter in a book. When this happens, I fly. It's weird flying though. It feels very real, but it's like I jump in the air and don't fall, as if standing on an invisible staircase or in some video game. Over the span of a couple versions of said dream, the ability evolved into actual flying, but I had to figure out how to control it, which was the fun part, I'd be in a building, get chased right toward a window, and I'd just jump out, the less fear, the easier to fly. If I felt fear, I'd start to plummet to the ground, and have to "pull up" to try and save myself before crashing hard into the streets below. Something I've always wondered about with stuff like Superman is where exactly is the push coming from? From the feet, like rocket boots, or from the hands, like he's pulling himself forward, or the chest to which everything else is attached. For me it was the head pulling the body forward, but whatever the body did indicated direction. Such an odd sensation.


Banisteriopsis caapi is better known as Ayahuasca, but it just contains the monoamine oxidase inhibitor. You have to mix it with another plant, preferably Psychotria viridis, to introduce the psychoactive dimethyltryptamine (DMT). Bekkler mentioned Salvia earlier - DMT and Salvia offer about the same level of intensity and produce incredible spiritual experiences. But DMT, unfortunately, is illegal in the United States. You can still buy Ayahuasca though, which is amusing to me.

What's amusing to me is that while it's illegal, DMT is also naturally produced in every living thing that has a conscious and an unconscious state. It is literally the stuff dreams are made of. The fact that it's used as a drug sounds like an activity straight out of a science fiction novel, but no, it's very real.

There have been reports of seeing lightning bolts coming out of peoples eyes and really intense stuff like that.





I had a few very vivid experiences with salvia divinorum, and while most of my friends were either terrified or temporarily felt what is immediately described as "permanently changed" and I will note the irony in that the feeling goes away rather quickly, just like the drug's effects. I experienced the same thing almost every time I tried it, which is why I found it annoying. I'd be in a sitting position, then suddenly, my couch or chair would spin backwards and I'd be rotated on an axis like the whole couch is a revolving door turned sideways, and every time I made it 90 degrees I was in a different dimension, where everything was there, but felt like all new actors playing the same old characters. It made me feel unsettled, but the feeling would always go away.

One time, I tried lying down, facing away from any people who may break my concentration. This was the most vivid "drug" experience of my life. It was like I closed my eyes and reopened them and just wasn't there anymore. I was in a maze, had changed to standing, but I was strapped to a bush wall in the maze, and was receiving a beating from a giant I had named "King". My friends were behind me, there was the girl, my psyche named "Queen", my best friend who I saw as the jester and my mind named "the Asshole" and the friend who had really bad anxiety and was always fidgity, who I nicknamed "the Pauper" in this little scenario. Everyone was a parody of themselves, twisted and green, the Asshole was laughing at me and the King's beatings were the force keeping my stuck to this "wall" (actually it was a carpeted floor I was laying spreadeagle on and the "force" was gravity). I came out of it when a cat walked down the hall, or as it looked to me, he walked on the wall, sideways, toward me. I just remember thinking "What's Winston doing here? He shouldn't be here. I shouldn't either." Then I was back. Take it for what you will.

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Re: So... Do you dream?
« Reply #29 on: April 12, 2009, 10:26:29 pm »
Banisteriopsis caapi is better known as Ayahuasca, but it just contains the monoamine oxidase inhibitor. You have to mix it with another plant, preferably Psychotria viridis, to introduce the psychoactive dimethyltryptamine (DMT).
That does sound familiar; I think they mixed it with some kind of jungle vine in the author's experience. Can't remember exactly, that was probably 5 years ago that I read it. Definitely recommend the book though.

I also really dug the Beatnik literature for learning about drug culture. 'Naked Lunch' by William S. Burroughs is great for that. The book read like a drug trip, and had this great glossary / index of hallucinogins at the back. 'Yage Diaries' was also pretty cool.