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Philosopher1701

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« Reply #45 on: May 04, 2005, 08:53:08 am »
'then' or 'thereafter.'



All life begins with Nu and ends with Nu.





"Then and thereafter."    :)

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« Reply #46 on: May 04, 2005, 10:02:02 am »
No, it means the direct occurance of one event after another. Nothing whatsoever with beginning and ending.

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« Reply #47 on: May 04, 2005, 06:42:20 pm »
I just remembered something.


Schala gave Janus an amulet.


Kid gave Serge the Astral Amulet.


 :)   8)

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« Reply #48 on: May 05, 2005, 03:49:27 am »
That really means absolutely nothing, and is but a grasping at straws. Glenn and Glenn share the same name, but they aren't connected at all, for example. Serge is not Janus, and that is truth. This has been proven through the course of this factually, and it is misguided to continue, I think.

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« Reply #49 on: May 05, 2005, 06:01:57 am »
Quote from: Philosopher1701
I just remembered something.


Schala gave Janus an amulet.


Kid gave Serge the Astral Amulet.


 :)   8)

Except that Janus' amulet is an actual amulet and Serge's "Astral Amulet" is just a Medicine Bag (according to the original Japanese version).

And Serge already wears some kind of amulet around his neck, but it doesn't play any role in the game.

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« Reply #50 on: May 05, 2005, 10:46:01 pm »
Is that thing around Magus' neck the amulet that Schala gave him?
I haven't seen Serge's original amulet, but it does seem coincidental that he'd already have one (it could be the one Schala gave Janus...) since the game doesn't really overlook amulets and makes them seem really important

Then again, I don't really thinks that this means Serge is Janus, but it shouldn't be ignored completely

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« Reply #51 on: May 06, 2005, 12:18:32 am »
Yes, it should be. Magus has an amulet on his left leg, too, but that means nothing, either. The fact that two characters wear an amulet isn't all that odd, especially when one is an optional character, and another the main one. Moreoever, it may be intended that the amulet Serge has is the shark-tooth given to him near the beginning. Regardless, I highly doubt what he wears is the work of old Zeal.
Why are we even arguing this anymore? There is no connection, the evidence proves it. This is like arguing that Tolkien based LOTR on WWII or that Legolas' hair colour is gold. Both are by evidence false, yet people still seem to argue for them...

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« Reply #52 on: May 06, 2005, 12:53:58 am »
Legolas' hair color...?

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« Reply #53 on: May 06, 2005, 12:58:08 am »
Well, yes. It's one of the big issues of Tolkien debate, or so I've heard. There are these people that insist its golden (ie. blond, but I hate that word.) I'm not exactly sure where they get that idea or their evidence from, really...

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« Reply #54 on: May 06, 2005, 06:32:21 pm »
Serge's deal just looks like a necklace made of leather string that's tied funny...I don't think it looks like an Amulet...Plus, we've already seen what Magus' Amulet looks like, it's the little silvery metal thing hanging from his side on the pics of him.

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« Reply #55 on: May 06, 2005, 09:29:23 pm »
They probably just refer to the movies.  Legolas was blonde there, but i forget what color his hair was in the books.

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« Reply #56 on: May 07, 2005, 04:58:13 am »
It's traditional to make it gold. LOTR artists have been doing it since the books came out, likely because, to their minds, Elves have fair hair. However, it never actually says what the colour of his hair is, which is what left open the debate. What answers it with 99% surety is the Silimarillion. You see, Thranduil of Mirkwood, Legolas' father, is almost surely a Grey Elf... just checked and the Silmarillion says he's a Sindarin, ie. Grey Elf. This means beyond doubt that he is one of the Teleri. Now, there were three major groups of Elves: Vanyar, Noldor, and Teleri. Of these, only the Vanyar had golden hair, and all of these went West 20,000 years before Lord of the Rings. The reason some like Galadriel have golden hair, even though she is a Noldorin Elf, is that her father, a prince of the Noldor, had Indis of the Vanyar as a mother. But that's a rare thing, and only a few like Glorfindel and she have such light hair. But that's the Noldor; they were in the West with the Vanyar. The Sindarin Grey Elves, a subgroup of the Teleri, remained in the East. Thus unless some gold-haired children were born to them before this sundering, or unless Thranduil or his kin married into a golden haired house (both greatly unlikely), Legolas must have dark hair, as a Sindarin Grey Elf.

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« Reply #57 on: May 07, 2005, 12:56:51 pm »
I think someone mentioned it a little while ago, but I took it as a joke; Magus equips a scythe with shadow magic, and Wazuki/Lynx equips a scythe with black-innate... interesting to think about

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« Reply #58 on: May 07, 2005, 05:02:18 pm »
I dont remmber Thranduil in the Silimarillion, although there were alot of people in there.  I figured Legolas was Sindarian though.  And I don't remmber that the Vanyar were the only ones with Golden hair...  Meh, I need to go re-read that book.

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« Reply #59 on: May 09, 2005, 03:18:47 pm »
He was mentioned off-hand in the 'Of the Rings of Power and the Third Age' segment. The index, however, names him a Sindarin Elf. Probably, like Celeborn, a lord of the court of Thingol of Doriath.