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Re: Straight Talk Express with the Compendium...Next Stop: Truth
« Reply #15 on: May 14, 2009, 04:40:40 pm »
They are not wasting 5 years of there life guys. If you read the MANY statements from agent12, he never put this as a priority is was something he did when there wasn't other thing to be done. He did this as a hobby, between meetings and such. Not be release is upsetting but nothing was wasted.

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Re: Straight Talk Express with the Compendium...Next Stop: Truth
« Reply #16 on: May 14, 2009, 05:30:45 pm »
Just found Kramer vs. Andrews (1986).

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but from what I understand of that case, the defendant was modding Kramer's game into something very different but still consisting of the raw materials Kramer provided -- and then replicating and selling the product.

Had Andrews sent a magic monkey to mod all of Kramer's coin-op machines into the new game, and not profited from it, would Kramer have had a case? I tend to think not.

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Re: Straight Talk Express with the Compendium...Next Stop: Truth
« Reply #17 on: May 14, 2009, 05:47:38 pm »
Not trying to push you all or anything, but what is the approximate percentage chance of Square winning the case that you would need before saying "you don't have a leg to stand on, we're releasing Crimson Echoes anyway"? Would it absolutely have to be 0%, or could it be as high as 1%? I'd think that even a 1% chance of your lives being financially ruined is still too much of a risk to take (I know I wouldn't get on an airplane if I knew there was a 1% chance of it crashing).

And again, even if it was 0%, there's still the factor of your lives being disrupted by fighting the thing. Just another example of how the current copyright/legal system is built to screw the little guy over. :(

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Re: Straight Talk Express with the Compendium...Next Stop: Truth
« Reply #18 on: May 14, 2009, 05:48:49 pm »
Correct if he just modified or provide instructions for modification the that would be completely legit, I actually did that for my old highschool senior project. I rebuilt, almost from scratch an old arcade machine, but then modded it too run MAME. My project was on the legality of it.

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Re: Straight Talk Express with the Compendium...Next Stop: Truth
« Reply #19 on: May 14, 2009, 06:40:23 pm »
Not trying to push you all or anything, but what is the approximate percentage chance of Square winning the case that you would need before saying "you don't have a leg to stand on, we're releasing Crimson Echoes anyway"? Would it absolutely have to be 0%, or could it be as high as 1%? I'd think that even a 1% chance of your lives being financially ruined is still too much of a risk to take (I know I wouldn't get on an airplane if I knew there was a 1% chance of it crashing).
I don't know that it'd necessarily have to be 0%, but it would definitely have to be less than 1%.

It'd also require a fund for the maximum possible fine to be covered from if it's not 0%, though.

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Re: Straight Talk Express with the Compendium...Next Stop: Truth
« Reply #20 on: May 14, 2009, 06:40:34 pm »
Not trying to push you all or anything, but what is the approximate percentage chance of Square winning the case that you would need before saying "you don't have a leg to stand on, we're releasing Crimson Echoes anyway"? Would it absolutely have to be 0%, or could it be as high as 1%? I'd think that even a 1% chance of your lives being financially ruined is still too much of a risk to take (I know I wouldn't get on an airplane if I knew there was a 1% chance of it crashing).

And again, even if it was 0%, there's still the factor of your lives being disrupted by fighting the thing. Just another example of how the current copyright/legal system is built to screw the little guy over. :(

1. This is impossible to say

2. This is ridicilous. Square will always have a chance of winning, no matter what. You can't go into court think "hmmm I'm definitely gonna win no matter what". It's a risk you need to be willing to take. If I had the money, I would be willing to take it. If I would have worked on Crimson Echoes for a long time, I would be willing to take it (also because my college teachers would support me, and grant me free time off school for it), but still, it's your decision to make.

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Re: Straight Talk Express with the Compendium...Next Stop: Truth
« Reply #21 on: May 14, 2009, 06:43:46 pm »
Such a fund would require donations, though, and that would raise the specter of Square claiming that this was a for-profit project (even when all the so-called "profit" would be going to pay Square and the lawyers). Plus the issue that the people on Chrono Compendium don't want to ask for donations even if the fans would be willing to donate.

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Re: Straight Talk Express with the Compendium...Next Stop: Truth
« Reply #22 on: May 14, 2009, 06:47:26 pm »
The Chrono Compendium will take absolutely NO donations, even at this time. Don't even suggest that, and I think the other admins will readily agree.

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Re: Straight Talk Express with the Compendium...Next Stop: Truth
« Reply #23 on: May 14, 2009, 09:34:26 pm »
Any updates? Are you guys still looking for legal advise? What can we do to help again? I can ask around to see if I know someone who knows someone...

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Re: Straight Talk Express with the Compendium...Next Stop: Truth
« Reply #24 on: May 14, 2009, 10:02:32 pm »
Keep checking in at the Compendium for further updates. Sorry, that's all we're at liberty to say at this point. We're extremely grateful for your support.

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Re: Straight Talk Express with the Compendium...Next Stop: Truth
« Reply #25 on: May 14, 2009, 11:50:32 pm »
From what you just said, it seems like there's either been a breakthrough or it's all over.

...actually, that's what I probably figured already XD

And now we play the waiting game...

Waiting game sucks, how 'bout Hungry Hungry Hippos?

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Re: Straight Talk Express with the Compendium...Next Stop: Truth
« Reply #26 on: May 15, 2009, 01:19:49 am »
Hey... did you guys know about this? http://savecrimsonechoes.com/phpPETITION/index.php
« Last Edit: May 15, 2009, 01:22:22 am by odekam »

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Re: Straight Talk Express with the Compendium...Next Stop: Truth
« Reply #27 on: May 15, 2009, 01:37:40 am »
Er, isn't a petition supposed to be an appeal to someone to change something?

That's just a page with a header that says "Save Crimson Echoes" and the text from crimsonechoes.com copied and pasted into the body. There's no stated goal, or even info on who the petition is addressed to. I guess it's a nice sentiment nonetheless, but petitions are not generally very effective in these situations.

Anyway ... If there is still some kind of activity going on behind the scenes in regards to CE, I hope we hear word soon. Good luck :)

« Last Edit: May 15, 2009, 01:42:00 am by Shinkinrui »

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Re: Straight Talk Express with the Compendium...Next Stop: Truth
« Reply #29 on: May 15, 2009, 01:49:01 am »
personally, I am now kinda against CE being released with such a fanfare...

...I mean, SE didn't want it to come out because it was so much like an actual sequel that many people would consider it canon...

...but now with the C&D, they really just dug themselves into a deeper hole (if CE stands its ground)