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[Chrono'99]

CE was literally the highest-quality product ever to have arisen from videogame modding culture.

Ouch, yeah have a slice of humble pie. Firstly i dont think somthing counts has having "arisen" if it was never released. Secondly, theres a wealth of very professional fan mods out there. DotA for one, or a more relevant example is Kingsquest 9(who received their own C&D from vivendi universal). Point is, this wasnt something the culture has never seen and completely awe-shook people with preview clips of sprites from the original game with some sprinklings of inserted text. Im looking forward to seeing these full playthrough videos.

The rest is opinion, but I'd just like to note that King's Quest IX (now known as The Silver Lining) is not a mod.

[phelph]

true, but relevant nonetheless. Hopefully the biggest difference between the two situations is that vivendi never intended to continue that series, and maaaybe square-enix does. But oh well.

[FaustWolf]

Ouch, yeah have a slice of humble pie.

First off, I was not a member of the core CE team; the CE team merely requested my services for some post-production work, and I've also played through the game from beginning to end three times while recording footage/beta testing. As little more than a propsective end-user of the product, I am under no obligation to be humble about something I did not create.

Furthermore, yes, I will re-state that Crimson Echoes was literally the highest-quality product ever to have arisen from videogame modding culture. Chrono'99, Agent 12, and ZeaLitY are just being extremely humble. Looking it over again as I'm processing the footage of the 98% complete beta, there is simply no doubt in my mind. Doesn't mean there won't be doubts in your mind phelph, but there are none in mine.

[phelph]

wellll, good to know.

edit: but, the point remains i wouldnt expect square to have thought it was highest quality product to come out of modding culture and see it as a threat. But guess you can never knowww.

[RySenkari]

I've also played through the game from beginning to end three times while recording footage/beta testing.

I'm more jealous of you right now than I am of Jessica Alba's boyfriend.

[FaustWolf]

I'm more jealous of you right now than I am of Jessica Alba's boyfriend.

Since (CE x 3) = approx. 80 hours of Chrono goodness that paid proper homage to canon, each playthrough a bit more interesting than the last thanks to new tweaks and additions, this is probably justified. Not absolutely justified...just probably.

[Lord J Esq]

I hate to say it, but that just sounds like incredibly narrow-minded talk. Do you honestly think that CTRP, CT:R and CT:CE are the only Chrono projects in existence? The only things that matter? What? Like said, it may have been great, but it was only one. It is not the be-all, end-all of all Chrono fandom and people need to stop thinking like it is.

I have to lend my support to V on this one. With the greatest deference to JP and his team for completing what none of us in the Chrono community ever have--a feature-length Chrono game--I played most of Crimson Echoes and, honestly, it was no Chrono Trigger. It was an okay game, and a nice diversion, and it definitely had its moments. But it was hardly the be-all, end-all of Chrono fandom, and to behave otherwise is a disservice to all the other hardworking artists, composers, and designers out there.

[V_Translanka]

One of the main reasons CE was important, for the CT hacking community at least, was the fact that it was being made using Temporal Flux, a relatively new tool insofar as hacking goes (and the lack of which probably being part of the reason for the lack of, or else very little, CT modding prior), and was going to be the first full-length feature using it. It would have been a great platform for people to see what was possible with it. Now someone else will have to step up to bat sometime...who knows? No one, stop asking.

[Mr Bekkler]

The difference between the Chrono fan community and Square-Enix is the difference between Love and Fear, respectively.

[Kahran042]

Do you honestly think that CTRP, CT:R and CT:CE are the only Chrono projects in existence?

Yes, but they were the only ones that didn't suck.

[kid123]

Be careful, your word might insulted any fan-made game's team that read them.
Actually, how well games advertised do determine the games popularity, and I might add that
the risk of getting C&D is high when do that.
Not to mention what V said, CE is important because it catch Temporal Flux's full feature. That is the same as others like CT:R, which is the first games using different engine source(is it unreal engine right?) combine with whole 3D aspect and amazing music remix/composotion by tssf.

[Kahran042]

Really? What are some that don't suck, may I ask?

[FaustWolf]

Kahran, I'd suggest Chrono Symphonic and the Chrono Cross Audio Drama for starters.

[Kahran042]

Chrono Symphonic: I have little, if any, interest in fan music.

Audio Drama: Sounds somewhat interesting. Where can I find it?

[Chrono'99]

There was also Chrono Trigger: Prophet's Guile >_>