Legend of the Hero Medal

[Legend of the Past]

Yeah, but I can't see why it would Doreen so long to react to Serge. If he had the pendent for so long, the game would show something to mark it.

Another thing is when I show Lucca on Opassa Beach the Astral Amulet, she says it's made of wood. Why not say it's made of Dreamstone? Intresting...

[Chrono'99]

Another thing is when I show Lucca on Opassa Beach the Astral Amulet, she says it's made of wood. Why not say it's made of Dreamstone? Intresting...

There's a thread about that here.

[Salvadeiro]

Note that the Mastermune (Masa+Mune+Doreen) is called Grand Dream in the Japanese CC. In CT, Grand Dream was the name of a Triple Tech which summons 3 big creatures who look like the fused form of Masa & Mune... Maybe those 3 creatures are actually Masa, Mune and Doreen?

Good Observation and that could possibly be it.  The way I see it, is Doreen, whom came from Zeal, was the creator Masa and Mune.  She could have either given birth to them, or split into them.  I'm pretty sure this isn't true.... 100% of it.

[Legend of the Past]

No, they call her "Sis", and "Sister Doreen". Something just dawned up me: They symbolize the gurus!

Doreen= Dreams (Melchior)
Mune- Knowledge (Belthasar)
Masa- Power (Can't see how, but that leaves Gasper, I guess)

[Salvadeiro]

The Power of Time and Space? Although Power would be more of Melchior because he is the Guru of Life, creates weapons and professes things about life.  While Time, can relate to sleeping somewhat, and somewhat not.

[Daniel Krispin]

No, they call her "Sis", and "Sister Doreen". Something just dawned up me: They symbolize the gurus!

Doreen= Dreams (Melchior)
Mune- Knowledge (Belthasar)
Masa- Power (Can't see how, but that leaves Gasper, I guess)

Not quite. Considering that the Three were born of the Red Knife, born of Melchior's hand alone, I would think they are rather the manifestations of various aspects of Melchior's spirit and will alone. Masa is the aspect of his power, and his wish for good to vanquish in battle over evil, and I suppose the primary focus of the sword's form as a battle-weapon - especially seeing as it is most often used to combat evil things. Mune represents his knowledge and wisdom and learning as a Master of the ancient world, and the skill that went into the forging of the sword and the like. And Doreen is his dearest, one of compassions and dreams of peace, serving to temper the others - she is nearest to the heart of this Master of Life. Yet in the war-matters of the earlier deeds of the Masamune, she had but little part, for her different nature.

[Legend of the Past]

Hmm. I guess you're right. Hey, it just struck me out of nowhere, so I guess I was wrong to just write something like that without thinking it through.

Anyway, it's like Dan said. I wonder, though, what's stronger, the Mastermune or the Masamune 2?

[Salvadeiro]

Mastermunes name is much stronger, although Masamune II could infact be stronger, i don't know lol.

[V_Translanka]

Perhaps they represent his id, ego, & super ego.

[jotabe1789]

Wouldn't be a posibility that Doreen was in Serge's original Swallow? after all, it is this original Swallow that gets upgraded as the Mastermune.

Also, about the Hero Medal:
In the Millenium Fair, there is a kid who says:
 [Little Boy]
   What's the big deal?
   So what if we won a war against a
   Wizard hundreds of years ago!

Of course he could be talking about Magus, but he looks like he is annoyed about the millenial fair, so it could be the the foundation of Guardia happened in the victory against a powerful wizard. It could be that the Hero Medal (CT) dates from that time (hence the classical look), and that it was forged to grant power against Dark magic users.

[V_Translanka]

If Doreen was in Serge's Sea Swallow, then are you saying that Serge's Sea Swallow was in Zeal somewhere???

Also, Guardia's roots trace back to like 1AD, I believe, far before Magus' defeat in 600AD. And of course the Hero Medal dates back from that time...I don't understand what you're trying to say...Did you think that the Hero Medal only came into existence in 1000AD or something?

[jotabe1789]

If it wasn't already in the Zeal Kingdom, she might have crafted it before. For me, i mean, it was the first idea that came to my mind when i played CC: since the masamune merges with the Sea Swallow (thx for the name ), and formes the mastermune, who is masa, mune and doreen, then doreen must have been in the swallow.

Just thinking aloud ^_^ trying to fit the looks of the Hero Medal (I had never seen the drawing) with an epoch in time, and the mention of an evil wizard in the time of the foundation, made everything fit for me.

[Legend of the Past]

Doreen was in the Masamune, but she was asleep. She didn't need to watch over the brothers because they were doing a fairly good job up 'till then. When the Masamune got tainted with malice and enmity, the two were also put to sleep, and when the Masamune was purged of evil, Masa and Mune awakened, and Doreen awakened as well, to watch over them. Doreen is the more responisble of the three; Remember when Kid was in a coma and Masa and Mune say that saving her is out of their league? Doreen then scolds them for being so lazy and helpless.

[jotabe1789]

Yep, i remember about their personalities ^_^ (girls are always more responsible lol) but still, i don't see how she could be already in the Masamune, in a way that it's coherent with CT... after all, could she really be in the Masamune when it was broken and scattered? And in order to retrieve the other piece, you had to prove your worth to Masa and Mune, only.
And the way they react when they notice Doreen:

Mune:
   Huaaah...
   You awake, Masa?
 
Masa:
   Yeah...
   But looking back...
   I think we've done
   something terrible.

Mune:
   Heh heh...
   No one will know if
   we don't tell.
   
Doreen:
   HEY!
   What were you
   two up to!?

Masa:
   Yikes!
   It's Doreen!

makes me really think they were alone in the sword. If Doreen was in the sword with them, she would be to blame as well, i think.

[Legend of the Past]

No, she was to blame, too, but she was against trying to get away from it unpunished. Kind of a goody-two-shoes. Anyway, as for the test... Masa and Mune were only in the blade, the real weapon. The other piece is with Frog, the hilt which supports the sword. Doreen brings balance to the brothers, make them able to fight correctly, like the hilt makes it so you can hold the weapon with less of a chance of hurting yourself.