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I can make a chrono Trigger game on RPGmaker correct?
« on: June 10, 2009, 10:31:27 pm »
I would think it would be completely legal, what about you?

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Re: I can make a chrono Trigger game on RPGmaker correct?
« Reply #1 on: June 10, 2009, 10:45:47 pm »
Just like fan fiction, flash projects, and modding - in fact, every form of creative fan activity - it is officially illegal, or otherwise disapproved by Square Enix as indicated by customer service dept emails. However, that doesn't mean you should not try.

Whether such a project could be hosted by the Compendium in any way would be up to ZeaLitY. Depends on how wide the scope of the response to the C&D is/should be. Right now all modding activity has been struck down; not sure what the status of non-modding fangames currently is.
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Re: I can make a chrono Trigger game on RPGmaker correct?
« Reply #2 on: June 10, 2009, 11:22:48 pm »
Well my thing is that rpgmaker has provided the tools for me so they should be the ones getting the heat not me.

I think I will try.

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Re: I can make a chrono Trigger game on RPGmaker correct?
« Reply #3 on: June 10, 2009, 11:33:05 pm »
Two full-length RPGMaker Chrono fangames have made it to fruition, complete with companion sites and Youtube pre-release previews, I believe.

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Re: I can make a chrono Trigger game on RPGmaker correct?
« Reply #4 on: June 10, 2009, 11:38:23 pm »
SE told me no when I asked about it for a diffrent game. I doubt it.

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Re: I can make a chrono Trigger game on RPGmaker correct?
« Reply #5 on: June 11, 2009, 12:05:04 am »
Of course they said no...  Did you ask your Mom if you could have a cookie from the cookie jar once you were tall enough to reach, or did you just take one? >.>''  Wow..  That sounded better in my head...

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Re: I can make a chrono Trigger game on RPGmaker correct?
« Reply #6 on: June 11, 2009, 12:13:19 am »
Of course they said no...  Did you ask your Mom if you could have a cookie from the cookie jar once you were tall enough to reach, or did you just take one? >.>''  Wow..  That sounded better in my head...

Yes I did, it would be rude otherwise.
Also I have e-mailed them before, if I was discovered then I could not claim ignorance as it is obvious I was aware of how to contact them on the subject. What your saying Is someone should willfully committee something that could be a crime even though they have the means to discover if it could be a crime or not. Some people would prefer to avoid legal trouble thank you very much. Also are you suggesting we should steal from our mothers.....
Gee you must be so proud of yourself.

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Re: I can make a chrono Trigger game on RPGmaker correct?
« Reply #7 on: June 11, 2009, 12:20:14 am »
^Took my post too seriously...  /sigh

People who know enough to make a fan hack of a game should know enough that it is against the law...

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Re: I can make a chrono Trigger game on RPGmaker correct?
« Reply #8 on: June 11, 2009, 12:35:24 am »
*laughs*

Personally, I say go for it. I believe companies should be flattered that fans create fan games for their franchises, because as fans we look up to them to provide us new ideas and wonderful adventures. It is they who we model these games after, like a younger sibling modeling itself after an older sibling.


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Re: I can make a chrono Trigger game on RPGmaker correct?
« Reply #9 on: June 11, 2009, 12:42:55 am »
^Took my post too seriously...  /sigh

People who know enough to make a fan hack of a game should know enough that it is against the law...

Huh I thought we had a witty banter going on? (although I wasn't talking about a fanhack I was talking about RPGMakerXP) Eitherway I was kiddin' around as well -_-'

*laughs*

Personally, I say go for it. I believe companies should be flattered that fans create fan games for their franchises, because as fans we look up to them to provide us new ideas and wonderful adventures. It is they who we model these games after, like a younger sibling modeling itself after an older sibling.



Except it's illegal and you could get in trouble (either way I won't rat you out. The choice is yours just sayin' becareful ok) sometimes its good to take risks, sometime it's just stupid. Remember it is a fine line between the two so tread lightly.

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Re: I can make a chrono Trigger game on RPGmaker correct?
« Reply #10 on: June 11, 2009, 01:40:41 pm »
Well my thing is that rpgmaker has provided the tools for me so they should be the ones getting the heat not me.

I think I will try.

"Well my thing is that even though I shot that guy in the head, Wal Mart sold me the gun and the bullets so they should be the ones getting the heat not me."
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Re: I can make a chrono Trigger game on RPGmaker correct?
« Reply #11 on: June 11, 2009, 01:49:46 pm »
Everyone keep in mind that fanfiction is just as illegal as game modification. Anne Rice has sent lawyers after fanfic writers in the past. The right to fanfic has never been won in the courts; fanfiction is just so prevalent that it's become widely tolerated by everyone except Anne Rice apparently. I believe this situation informs us as to the future of fangaming and modding.

Any form of artistic activity fans engage in is inevitably going to build on the already-established intellectual property, and some would say that the fan writer/visual artist/game-maker has "stolen" the intellectual property and profited from it inasmuch as they have received some measure of honor for completing the work, even if no money is made.

Thus, the fan writer, visual artist, and game-maker are all guilty of the same "crime." The difference here is that fangaming and fangame-modding are new forms of activity. It was once considered lawsuit-worthy to rip MP3s from a CD you yourself had bought, or enable people to record the images and sound that passed through their TVs for chrissakes. Eventually the consumer will win out, as the consumer has always done. The tide of history is on the side of the fans. If corporations want to shore up their profits, they should take advantage of defunct IPs by handing out cheap fan licenses and profit from the continuance of the IPs as opposed to letting them rot.
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Re: I can make a chrono Trigger game on RPGmaker correct?
« Reply #12 on: June 11, 2009, 06:54:43 pm »
Personally, I say go for it. I believe companies should be flattered that fans create fan games for their franchises, because as fans we look up to them to provide us new ideas and wonderful adventures. It is they who we model these games after, like a younger sibling modeling itself after an older sibling.

Perhaps they should, but S-E's recent behavior has indicated that this is not the view they officially take, and advocating ignoring recent history is reckless at best.

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Re: I can make a chrono Trigger game on RPGmaker correct?
« Reply #13 on: June 11, 2009, 07:22:08 pm »
Dangit Squeenix, why can't you honor our tributes instead of pooping on us?

I am actually making a game in my spare time as a joke called Chrono Trigger Revenge: Cease and Desist! You are the Epoch, and you shoot down a bunch of C&D letters in a Galaga-style space shooter.

Yeah, I will probably just release it on my website or something, if I even release it at all. The game is horrid, and I only worked about 2 hours on it because I was insanely bored. :-)

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Re: I can make a chrono Trigger game on RPGmaker correct?
« Reply #14 on: June 11, 2009, 07:42:11 pm »
Very interesting question, indeed.

Making games in RPG Maker is, or should be legal if you possess the licence of its programs (paying for them), so that if you possess RPG Maker XP or VX in English with its licence you shouldn't have any problem (at least for making your own game, not for making a game which already has IP). Several years ago Enterbrain published a "sad fact" for those RPG Maker 2000 and 2003 versions which have been ilegally translated in other languages. Even in Spain a website was forcibly shut down by means of Enterbrain made contact with its host provider.

This is part one. Now comes part two... xD
Taking into account that CT is property of Square Enix, any derivative work without their consent is illegal, at least that seem to be their public posture about this matter.

I was wondering about the possibility of make contact directly with members of the Chrono Trigger staff (Toriyama, Kato...) showing them fan-work related with CT. Perhaps it would be inspiring enough for them to think about a new Chrono game... Well, that was my dream in the Dreamer's Wing of Enhasa while i saw that CE part ;)