Fuck Sexism

[ZeaLitY]

Congratulations; you aren't the only one to romanticize sex. What I'm saying is, you're expected to want to get to know a person in a relationship and not just fuck them, so you don't have anything to gain by triumphantly announcing this repeatedly. It is a given; a preset variable to a good relationship. It's as if I came along and said "I don't eat food just because it tastes good, I eat it to survive!!" We know this.

[IAmSerge]

Congratulations; you aren't the only one to romanticize sex. What I'm saying is, you're expected to want to get to know a person in a relationship and not just fuck them, so you don't have anything to gain by triumphantly announcing this repeatedly. It is a given; a preset variable to a good relationship. It's as if I came along and said "I don't eat food just because it tastes good, I eat it to survive!!" We know this.

Ah, I see.  Yes, tis expected, however I was merely trying to state my point of view and stance on the current subject matter which was, atleast somewhat related to, the male sex drive and how it runs his drive for a relationship.

And yes, the satire adds a nice touch, Z.

[Lord J Esq]

The furthest I ever think is "She looks good, I want to meet her" or "She has a nice body".  Yes I know that it is inherently and inadvertantly sexist (because I don't think about guys bodies and how they look or if id like to meet em), but is it wholly bad?

That seems like a self-defeating comment, but you don't follow up on it. Where exactly were you going with this?

[IAmSerge]

The furthest I ever think is "She looks good, I want to meet her" or "She has a nice body".  Yes I know that it is inherently and inadvertantly sexist (because I don't think about guys bodies and how they look or if id like to meet em), but is it wholly bad?

That seems like a self-defeating comment, but you don't follow up on it. Where exactly were you going with this?

Its sexist in a way that I am treating women in a way such that I appreciate them more than males.  I suppose that yes the shallow part of the statements that involve me looking at a woman's body is shallow and bad, however what I was intending to get at was my general greater appreciation for females than males.  Is it wrong to appreciate women more than men, just because I'm hetero?

[ZaichikArky]

Its sexist in a way that I am treating women in a way such that I appreciate them more than males.  I suppose that yes the shallow part of the statements that involve me looking at a woman's body is shallow and bad, however what I was intending to get at was my general greater appreciation for females than males.  Is it wrong to appreciate women more than men, just because I'm hetero?

No, I don't think that's sexist. I look at guys all the time. Guys look at girls all the time. Actually, this is one of those universal things where something like all people who aren't asexual look at and appreciate people they find attractive. Actually, over all I find women more attractive than men, but I find men sexually attractive and I don't find women sexually attractive. Also, I think I'm the least bi out of all my female friends. Well, one of them anyway. My best friend turned bi a while ago and now I think it's a bi conspiracy cause sooo many girls my age think they're bi.

[IAmSerge]

if you don't mind me being momentarily off topic (ill get back on soon, promise!):

Zaichik, what IS your avatar of?

[ZaichikArky]

It ended up being hard to see... It's the arcanine Moemon. Arcanine is my favorite pokemon and I find the Arcanine Moemon very cute, but I couldn't find a good picture of *just* her : (. Actually a bit of trivia, the "Arky" comes from Arcanine XD.

[Lord J Esq]

Its sexist in a way that I am treating women in a way such that I appreciate them more than males.  I suppose that yes the shallow part of the statements that involve me looking at a woman's body is shallow and bad, however what I was intending to get at was my general greater appreciation for females than males.  Is it wrong to appreciate women more than men, just because I'm hetero?

Ah. No, it's not sexist or wrong to be sexually attracted to people--although you should be honest with yourself that those attractions are indeed sexual, which you seem to be going to lengths to repress.

The line between sexism and sexuality is a very thin one, and sometimes the two worlds overlap. But sexual attraction itself--independent of whatever actions we might take pursuant to it--is not sexist.

The "just because I'm hetero" bent is unnecessary. People of all orientations go through the same experiences that you do.

[IAmSerge]

Ah. No, it's not sexist or wrong to be sexually attracted to people--although you should be honest with yourself that those attractions are indeed sexual, which you seem to be going to lengths to repress.

I know indeed that it is sexual, I am not trying to repress that, I am only trying to repress a sector of it, the sector that involves the actual "sex" in "sexual"

The line between sexism and sexuality is a very thin one, and sometimes the two worlds overlap. But sexual attraction itself--independent of whatever actions we might take pursuant to it--is not sexist.

I suppose that if viewed from this point of view then yes, you're right, it isn't!  Thanks!

The "just because I'm hetero" bent is unnecessary. People of all orientations go through the same experiences that you do.

This bit was just added to distinguish that if I were not hetero, this statement would be opposite of true or completely invalid.  However it could have been rephrased to sound like less of an oppressive/oppressed format.

It ended up being hard to see... It's the arcanine Moemon. Arcanine is my favorite pokemon and I find the Arcanine Moemon very cute, but I couldn't find a good picture of *just* her : (. Actually a bit of trivia, the "Arky" comes from Arcanine XD.

Awesome, but... whats Moemon?  And nice trivia =D

[ZaichikArky]

No one bothered to make a wiki page about it D:. Moemon is this really popular pokemon hack where all the original 151 pokemon are not really pokemon, but little girls (actually more like furries, though I don't like that term...).  That's the only difference, the sprites are little girls and you're supposed to catch 'em all.

Here is a rip of all the sprites in the game- http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a235/aicalo/sprites.png

[kingpingu30]

Haha, thats actually hilarious. I'm gonna hafta look for that...

[FaustWolf]

If I'm persuing a friendship/relationship with someone because I have the idea that she's the kind of person I would marry, does that mean I'm doing something wrong?

Absolutely not. Why surround yourself with people you wouldn't want to be around long-term? Just because someone is the kind of person you want to marry doesn't mean that it's your goal to get them into bed. The point is to enjoy the relationship as it is and don't fret over "the friend zone" when pop culture tries to inform you that you're in it and you should get out.

What I'm saying is, you're expected to want to get to know a person in a relationship and not just fuck them, so you don't have anything to gain by triumphantly announcing this repeatedly. It is a given; a preset variable to a good relationship. It's as if I came along and said "I don't eat food just because it tastes good, I eat it to survive!!" We know this.

This is the part that should be obvious, but I do feel we need to stress exactly this publicly sometimes just to counter cultural impressions like the ones given at AskMen.com. There's a huge problem because men in America (maybe Western society in general) are constantly bombarded with pop culture impressions to the effect that sex is the only desirable thing in a relationship, and furthermore, that men should act like assholes and everything they want will come to them. This tends to breed unhealthy relationships for those who actually buy into it.

[V_Translanka]

Not to turn a sexism thread into something about furries, but I don't think girls in costumes would be furry. Is just cosplay, yar? Looks neat but weird...why would you be collecting girls in Poke-outfits? That's one demented Dex, Professor Oak!

[kingpingu30]

Well, considering his original Dex probably got finished by some random kid, he wanted to make a new one... Maybe Oak just likes cosplayers that much.

[FaustWolf]

Getting back to the abortion issue, a curiosity: what do you all make of the Unborn Victims of Violence act?

Obviously most, if not all, strains of Pro-Life theory would tend to support this unequivocally. I could see different strains of Pro-Choice theory split on this though -- might it depend once again on the question of whether the fetus is a person?

Under the principles of Judith Jarvis Thomson's Violinist rationale, I think one could be both Pro-Choice and support the law; according to the Violinist rationale the fetus is a person with full right to life, but has no right to the mother's body, which is wholly her own. Thus, the mother's decision not to allow the fetus to use her body for its development should be different in nature from what, say, Scott Petersen did to his unborn son. Or is it?

I thought this would make for some interesting argument and debate.