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Re: Fuck Sexism
« Reply #750 on: November 14, 2009, 08:09:05 pm »
What happened in that excerpt is hopefully rare -- hopefully -- but the point is, there are no safeguards in this industry to keep things like this from happening, or to punish producers who pull stunts like this. In that actress' situation specifically, what I bet happened is that the producer did take her briefly through the script and said, "Hey, we're going to have you do A, B, C, and D." But the funny thing about sex is that it's something that has to be judged as it's felt in realtime. A line can be crossed in the middle of a fully agreed-upon act. And the moment a line is crossed on a porn set it is an act of rape, fair and square. Any person in polite society should be afforded at least the protection of personal judgment over where his or her "lines" are, which is probably the best we can do legally; the fact that we hear about porn actresses (and perhaps actors) going forward with shoots like this at the behest of directors shows they are, indeed, valued less than "normal" human beings by the directors. The moment she said "I don't think I'll be able to do this..." while she was in the middle of whatever act it was, the shoot should have stopped. No ifs, ands, or buts. Male and LGBT actors should be afforded the exact same protections. The fact that that one actress felt compelled to continue despite her own discomfort tells us, for certain, that something's wrong here. Sure, this guy's studio was raided a couple times. But he is still operating. The porn industry has the same implicit understandings with our government that other industries do, or at least that's my suspicion.

There's no reporting structure if the consumer suspects something's up (there are literally scenes out there where women actually seem to refuse very clearly, but the director quips something like, "Hey, you just need to loosen up, baby!" -- who you gonna call to find out if that was a real act of rape, or just staged?); and since pornographic actresses are basically treated as contract workers and not unionized ones to my understanding, they can probably just be tossed by the wayside in favor of more willing participants: this lends the cruel edge of severe economic competition to the decisions they make about their bodies. I know nothing about homosexual pornography (and lesbian porn produced for men hardly counts), but I'd have to take a wild guess that some of the same problems exist there as well.

The porn industry has a stake in reducing the conversation surrounding it to a binary "prude/not prude" level. Just as any capitalist corporation in its right, one-track-profit-motive mind, will more often than not resist unionization, so it is with porn, probably. The easiest way to avoid this is shape the nature of the debate itself. When Penn and Teller bring Gail Dines onto their Bullsh!t show and then drown her out with bombastic appeals to freedom, then proceed to play soft core porn clips and literally label her a "prude," they're egregiously skipping over issues that need to be discussed, and both sides would probably agree to discuss things like this constructively if they would just sit down and actually communicate. Imagine the actress in that article returning to her union after experiencing that and reporting being pressured on set, and suddenly all the porn workers in California go celibate until some serious action is taken by the industry. Now, maybe that's some sexual liberation.
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Re: Fuck Sexism
« Reply #751 on: November 17, 2009, 12:21:09 am »
A little something which pissed me off today . . .

My mother is an elementary school teacher, and some time this morning a 5th grade girl came to talk to her. Apparently, a boy from her class had been harassing her, and this girl felt so violated that she had to speak with a teacher. Now, I don't know all the details, but for a young girl to feel like this within a school? That just makes me sick. Needless to say, the boy is being dealt with (by being sent to some alternative school).

I felt this deserved a place in this thread because, What kind of society do we live in where sexual harassment is seen within, of all places, an elementary school? What had that boy been taught to believe?

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Re: Fuck Sexism
« Reply #752 on: November 17, 2009, 12:55:02 am »
Yes, that's sad, isn't it? Even though I can recall hearing various anecdotes about and personally observing harassment in my environment in high school and college, I really can't think of any as early as elementary school.

On one hand, it could mean things are getting worse -- or even that I wasn't very observant about gender issues at that stage in my own life, and didn't take note of such things even though they may have existed. On the other hand, at least the girl was educated to know that what happened to her was wrong, and could report the incident without fear.

Regardless, a policing, reactionary response isn't necessarily the answer, or at most it is part of the answer. Something in the culture itself needs to change since this sort of thing still happens on a scale we might consider epidemic were sexism and sexual harassment a microorganism.
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Re: Fuck Sexism
« Reply #753 on: November 24, 2009, 01:51:01 am »

Feminists out there must hate the following song:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7f_HsjpSVaI

Funny, I thought it was a great song.

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Re: Fuck Sexism
« Reply #754 on: November 24, 2009, 02:00:10 pm »
Ha, gotta love the '80s hairstyles though. And I have to give them credit for associating glowing neon whips with something other than tight leather.

The problem for me really isn't a single cultural artifact being sexist, but rather an environment in which said artifacts are so ubiquitous that, in their totality, they would tend to generate or reinforce widespread stereotypes as opposed to creating varied impressions of certain categories of people.

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Re: Fuck Sexism
« Reply #755 on: November 27, 2009, 07:50:29 pm »
That song just makes me think of Shrek.

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Re: Fuck Sexism
« Reply #756 on: November 27, 2009, 09:48:49 pm »

I have to admit, though...

The cover version in Shrek 2 was pretty decent.

Back on topic now.

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Re: Fuck Sexism
« Reply #757 on: December 01, 2009, 12:18:17 am »

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Re: Fuck Sexism
« Reply #758 on: December 01, 2009, 01:03:43 am »
Ugh. What assholes thought that was a good idea? The audacity. . . :picardno

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Re: Fuck Sexism
« Reply #759 on: December 01, 2009, 01:22:12 am »
What's really weird is that it's supposed to be anti-domestic violence, am I understanding that right? Like, you're supposed to play the "game" and the player gets rewarded for it until the "game" suddenly turns around and labels the player an IDIOT upon completion.

That's a heck of a mixed message -- especially considering many players might not even stick around long enough for the IDIOT part. Interesting that one commenter noted racist overtones as well, since the reward phase of the "game" is the label GANGSTA before that label gets replaced with IDIOT. Racism and misogyny sometimes seem like partners in crime. Whatever harbors one is often capable of harboring the other quite well.

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Re: Fuck Sexism
« Reply #760 on: December 01, 2009, 01:40:52 am »
What's really weird is that it's supposed to be anti-domestic violence, am I understanding that right? Like, you're supposed to play the "game" and the player gets rewarded for it until the "game" suddenly turns around and labels the player an IDIOT upon completion.

That's a heck of a mixed message -- especially considering many players might not even stick around long enough for the IDIOT part. Interesting that one commenter noted racist overtones as well, since the reward phase of the "game" is the label GANGSTA before that label gets replaced with IDIOT. Racism and misogyny sometimes seem like partners in crime. Whatever harbors one is often capable of harboring the other quite well.

You're right, it's supposed to be anti-domestic violence.  Hell of a screwed up way of getting the point across.

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Re: Fuck Sexism
« Reply #761 on: December 01, 2009, 04:18:40 am »
What the fuck.
Wow I don't know what's more disturbing, that someone created that, or the fact that there are people who would want to play it.
It's also kind of creepy that it's suppose to be anti-domestic violence.

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Re: Fuck Sexism
« Reply #762 on: December 01, 2009, 06:55:49 pm »

You're right, it's supposed to be anti-domestic violence.  Hell of a screwed up way of getting the point across.

It's like putting a drunk person in a car, and putting a bunch of people in the way, and telling him "20 points" each time he hits a person. Then when he gets to the end of the road the only person left standing is the cop, and the word "points" turns into "years". As a matter of fact, my one-shot idea sounds a little better than the actual game. And that's sad in and of itself.

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Re: Fuck Sexism
« Reply #764 on: December 02, 2009, 01:28:18 am »
Kebrel brought up a fascinating counter-example -- what do you all make of it? It's exactly like the Tifa vs. Scarlet slapping duel from Final Fantasy VII, only it...doesn't take place atop a giant city-destroying cannon.

The Japanese game contributes to a "catfighting" stereotype that could be seen as misogynistic. It seems to be about two women fighting over a dude as far as I can tell, though that's really me just jumping to a conclusion based on an intro screen that offers some semblance of a scenario.


But on the other hand, the player and antagonist seem about evenly well equipped for combat in the game Kebrel found -- whereas in the game Sajainta found, the player is a GANGSTA striking out at someone who's clearly being victimized and lacks an ability to fight back. There's a "live by the sword, die by the sword" thematic subtext in the game Kebrel found, and it is in that way linked to most traditional games that employ some form of violence as a gameplay mechanic. That subtext is completely lacking in the game Sajainta found, excepting the paltry IDIOT label applied toward the victorious GANGSTA who just brutalized someone for no reason.
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