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« Reply #15 on: March 20, 2006, 08:50:26 pm »
Exactly... it makes no difference for most people.

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« Reply #16 on: March 21, 2006, 04:27:36 am »
Is Steena "most people" though? She's supposed to be a very wise sage with lots of knowledge on ancient lore...

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« Reply #17 on: March 21, 2006, 07:12:14 am »
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Is Steena "most people" though? She's supposed to be a very wise sage with lots of knowledge on ancient lore...


Yeah, just how Luccia said that the Flame probably destroyed many "Civilizations".

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« Reply #18 on: March 21, 2006, 04:02:15 pm »
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Is Steena "most people" though? She's supposed to be a very wise sage with lots of knowledge on ancient lore...


Steena was only knowledgable of the false Dragonian Myths.  She didn't even change her tune after the events in Chronopolis.

I think Steena could be referring to the original inhabitants of El Nido, who would have appeared some indeterminate time in the past.

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« Reply #19 on: March 22, 2006, 04:09:31 am »
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Is Steena "most people" though? She's supposed to be a very wise sage with lots of knowledge on ancient lore...


Steena was only knowledgable of the false Dragonian Myths.  She didn't even change her tune after the events in Chronopolis.

I think Steena could be referring to the original inhabitants of El Nido, who would have appeared some indeterminate time in the past.


It's not a false myth. In actual fact, the information held at Fort Dragonia coincides with the information in Chronopolis. The Dragonians know about their evolution, and the war, and how the humans settled. Heck, they even think that if such an event happened with the dragon tear, the Chrono Cross could be produced.
The only possibility here that is false is what the Dragon God said about th Earth hating the humans. But there is nothing to go against that because we are not told that the Dragon God's mentality has been warped. We only know that their energy was drained, and that they were split and were and are sperate beings of the planet's energy. Though, the Dragon God may be refering to the planet in their dimension. But then again, that planet is the same as the one in CC's dimension but maybe it just became closer to the humans, whom are the progency of Lavos as the planet in the other dimension may say.

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« Reply #20 on: March 22, 2006, 03:47:47 pm »
Steena is knowledgable about Dragonian artifacts and lore, but she is also an adherent in the Dragonian religion.  It is later revealed that the Dragons were never "Gods" in the first place, and were later assimilated by Lavos.

There is also this legend, which is switched around.

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Steena:
   In an old poem of El Nido there is
   a phrase that refers to the evil
   sealed away by the 6 Dragons.
   This phrase follows after it:
   '"...the evil flame that sought to
   engulf the world..."'


Not to say that Steena is ignorant or some sort of zealot, but her knowledge is not as authoritative as, for example, Belthasar.

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Steena:
   Long before man inhabited
   El Nido, the Dragon Gods have
   protected the lands.

   The islands are named after the
   Dragon Gods: Sky Dragon,
   Water Dragon, Earth Dragon...
   It is said that these Dragons
   once dwelled upon those isles.

Steena:
   But several hundred years have
   passed since settlers from the
   mainland came to El Nido.

   The only Dragons that can
   be seen today are the
   White and Black Dragons.
   No one knows the location
   of the other Dragon Gods...


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Steena:
   This was about a hundred years
   ago, before immigrants from the
   mainland came to El Nido.

   The now extinct Dragonians,
   demi-humans, and our ancestors
   lived on the main island and not
   on the outlying islands.


Steena appears to contradict herself here.  It also seems that according to Dragonian lore there were no human inhabitants of El Nido until relatively recently, but we know the first human settlers came from Chronopolis.

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« Reply #21 on: March 22, 2006, 06:21:35 pm »
I don't really see how it contradicts itself. She clearly states that they are immogrants and settlers who came to El Nido resently (That in mind being the Termina residents). Other than that, Arni was always there. Termina's construction could have drawed the Demi humans away from that main island and on to Marbule and Guldove.

As for the Dragon God, it may not be a God, but it literally is the Dragon whom may resemble the force of a God. You have to remember, the Dragon God was the combination of all 6 elements, combined into one body from the power of the planet.

Steena says there are more than one, and that is true, since each one has their own element, and combine to form the true Dragon God, one that has power over all of nature.

The simple misunderstanding the the thing with the Flame. FATE sealed the Dragon God, splitting it up into it's 6 seperate selves. But see her, the Dragons sealed off FATE from the rest of the islands by putting that coral around it and creating the pearly gates.

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« Reply #22 on: March 22, 2006, 10:54:09 pm »
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I don't really see how it contradicts itself. She clearly states that they are immogrants and settlers who came to El Nido resently (That in mind being the Termina residents). Other than that, Arni was always there. Termina's construction could have drawed the Demi humans away from that main island and on to Marbule and Guldove.


Steena states that settlers arrived from the mainland 100 years previously, and also hundreds of years previously.  She also states that there were no humans inhabiting El Nido before then.

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As for the Dragon God, it may not be a God, but it literally is the Dragon whom may resemble the force of a God. You have to remember, the Dragon God was the combination of all 6 elements, combined into one body from the power of the planet.

Steena says there are more than one, and that is true, since each one has their own element, and combine to form the true Dragon God, one that has power over all of nature.


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Belthasar:
   The Dragon Gods were originally
   a singular plasma life-form...
   ...A living accumulation of the
   planet's energy!
   Originally it was a biological
   machine used to control the
   powers of nature in the future
   society of the Reptites.
   In order to control the natural
   energy itself, FATE divided the
   one Dragon God entity up into
   6 weaker plasma life-forms...
   Then scattered them across
   the land and sealed them away.
   Their dragon-like appearances
   are just pseudo-guises...
   ...Temporary forms they take
   so that they can appear in
   this dimension.


The Dragon God is a collection of the planet's energy.  The Dragonians created it to control the natural forces of the planet.  The Dragons could be confused with gods, but they are not supernatural entities.  Worshipping interdimensional plasma-based artificial life-forms as gods is ignorant superstition.

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Belthasar:
   That thing...
   the '"Dragon God"'...
   is only a quasi-existence...
   ...A temporary form that
   the real Dragon God uses
   in order to appear within
   this dimension.

Belthasar:
   The actual Dragon God
   was consumed long ago,
   in the distant past...
   Integrated by the entity
   known as Lavos in a time
   on the other side of the
   dimensional darkness.


There is also the fact that the Dragon God basically became part of Lavos.

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The simple misunderstanding the the thing with the Flame. FATE sealed the Dragon God, splitting it up into it's 6 seperate selves. But see her, the Dragons sealed off FATE from the rest of the islands by putting that coral around it and creating the pearly gates.


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Harle:
   Zis place iz called
   ze Pearly Gates.
   Zis used to be ze only
   entrance to ze Sea of Eden.
   However, legend sayz, no one
   haz been able to see it or
   approach it, ever since ze
   Dragonz sealed ze evil flame.

Harle:
   You need ze powerz of ze
   Dragonz zat sealed ze flame.
   You must break ze seal of
   ze Pearly Gates with relics
   from each of ze 6 Dragonz.


That's what Harle said, but do you think the Dragons interfered with the terraforming and settlement of El Nido?

Also, looking through the script I found this, so I think there is a direct contradiction in Steena's dialogue.

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[Explorer Captain]
   Legend has it that the people who
   lived in the Sea of Eden passed
   through the Pearly Gates to inhabit
   the El Nido Archipelago.
   If that's true, then that means
   we're all descendants of those
   first settlers of mankind.

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« Reply #23 on: March 23, 2006, 02:59:49 am »
The coral part isn't true... FATE formed the Coral, so that Serge won't be able to just step into Chronopolis and seize the Flame. The Dragons want the exact opposite: They want Serge to get into Chronopolis, beat FATE and then they could claim the Frozen Flame. JUST LIKE WHAT HAPPANED IN THE GAME.

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« Reply #24 on: March 23, 2006, 09:16:28 am »
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The coral part isn't true... FATE formed the Coral, so that Serge won't be able to just step into Chronopolis and seize the Flame. The Dragons want the exact opposite: They want Serge to get into Chronopolis, beat FATE and then they could claim the Frozen Flame. JUST LIKE WHAT HAPPANED IN THE GAME.


Actually, I thought that the only poisonus Coral was around the Dead Sea, and that Another World's was simply impassible except for the place where the Dragon God's allowed it to be so - The Pearly Gates. FATE can't always have it it's way.

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« Reply #25 on: March 23, 2006, 06:46:14 pm »
with all honesty . . . i'd have to play through it again and find out

but it was something along the line of the coral being around the Dead Sea, in which u also heard from Toma, to be deadly by the meer touch of it

how it was formed is yet still a mystery to me

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« Reply #26 on: March 23, 2006, 07:32:55 pm »
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[Explorer]
   Far east from here, there's
   an area called the '"Dead Sea"'
   that's covered by thick clouds
   all year long.
   The strange thing about it
   is that there's no way in.
   Poisonous coral surrounds the
   whole area.

   Even the Porre military, who's
   causing trouble around El Nido,
   gave up after several tries.


This is the reference to the poisonous coral.

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[Norris]
   The Dead Sea is an ocean
   located to the east,
   surrounded by coral.
   It used to be called the
   Sea of Eden, but even then,
   not many dared enter.
   We investigated the area,
   but to no avail.
   We could find no entrance.


This is the only other mention of "coral" in the script.

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« Reply #27 on: March 27, 2006, 06:01:59 am »
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The coral part isn't true... FATE formed the Coral, so that Serge won't be able to just step into Chronopolis and seize the Flame. The Dragons want the exact opposite: They want Serge to get into Chronopolis, beat FATE and then they could claim the Frozen Flame. JUST LIKE WHAT HAPPANED IN THE GAME.


Actually, I thought that the only poisonus Coral was around the Dead Sea, and that Another World's was simply impassible except for the place where the Dragon God's allowed it to be so - The Pearly Gates. FATE can't always have it it's way.


Being as omniscent and omnipotent as she is, FATE CAN have it her way.

Your right about it, but it's not like FATE is totally powerless in Home World. She could still imprison Miguel, through great effort. Forming a bit of Coral is nothing, and seeing as how the Dragons were pretty powerless...