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Re: The Record of Right-Wing Crazy
« Reply #30 on: November 14, 2009, 05:12:40 am »
Palin's new book is full of lies:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091113/ap_on_el_pr/us_palin_book_fact_check

And the checking will continue.

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Re: The Record of Right-Wing Crazy
« Reply #31 on: November 16, 2009, 03:38:37 pm »

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20091116/pl_afp/japanusdiplomacyasiaobama

So a little appreciation for another culture is what pisses off the conservatives?

Gee, and I thought the idea of paying respect to the highest honor of a foreign country (especially Japan) would be a sign of improving favor of our country to the rest of world.

No surprise that some pundits on FOX and CNN are crying foul over this gesture of courtesy.

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Re: The Record of Right-Wing Crazy
« Reply #32 on: November 16, 2009, 04:00:25 pm »
There are two ways to get people to tolerate you. Either be someone that they respect and want to be around, or be a patsy that they can push around.

This is not to say that President Obama was being a patsy, just that it is possible to improve our favor in the world in the wrong way. Therefore, while potentially misplaced and downright campy, this sentiment could have had a legitimate basis.

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I said could have!

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Re: The Record of Right-Wing Crazy
« Reply #33 on: November 16, 2009, 05:07:06 pm »

How was this gesture improving our favor in the world in the wrong way?

Plus, I didn't find bowing to the Emperor of Japan to be campy.  We are talking about the same word, right?

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/campy





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Re: The Record of Right-Wing Crazy
« Reply #34 on: November 16, 2009, 05:15:53 pm »
"This sentiment" was refering to the conservative dislike of the action, not the President's action itself. Hence, it was the conservative dislike that I said was potentially misplaced and downright campy.

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Re: The Record of Right-Wing Crazy
« Reply #35 on: November 16, 2009, 05:34:22 pm »

Oh.  :o

My bad.

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Re: The Record of Right-Wing Crazy
« Reply #36 on: November 24, 2009, 06:14:10 pm »
The Republican Party is considering implementing an ideological purity test for candidates.

For one, it isn’t like the party is in a place where it can turn away supporters or qualified candidates just because they score a 9 of 10 (or less) on this test.

For another, really? The party wants to police its own thoughts? Mmhhmm, I tell you, that sure makes me want to vote for them. That idea is downright doubleplusgood.

Even assuming this was a good idea, the points themselves are largely bunk:

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1. We support smaller government, smaller national debt, lower deficits and lower taxes by opposing bills like Obama's "stimulus" bill;
2. We support market-based health care reform and oppose Obama-style government run healthcare;
3. We support market-based energy reforms by opposing cap and trade legislation;
4. We support workers' right to secret ballot by opposing card check;
5. We support legal immigration and assimilation into American society by opposing amnesty for illegal immigrants;
6. We support victory in Iraq and Afghanistan by supporting military-recommended troop surges;
7. We support containment of Iran and North Korea, particularly effective action to eliminate their nuclear weapons threat;
8. We support retention of the Defense of Marriage Act;
9. We support protecting the lives of vulnerable persons by opposing health care rationing and denial of health care and government funding of abortion; and
10. We support the right to keep and bear arms by opposing government restrictions on gun ownership;

I wonder what will happen when Obama’s presidency is up. Will the Republican Party disband, then?

Eight years totoal and Obama’s gone; one can’t reasonably base a political party’s ideological stance on something so transient as opposing a particular president or a particular brand of presidents. I guess the key word there is “reasonably.”

It’s a bit disturbing when any political party starts acting like something from the “I DON’T UNDERSTAND” thread:

http://i35.tinypic.com/14siqtf.jpg

"How can you say that you're a Republican if you can't even eat their poop?"

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Re: The Record of Right-Wing Crazy
« Reply #37 on: November 24, 2009, 11:14:33 pm »

What's disturbing about this test is how surprisingly specific they are in their thinly veiled critique of the Democratic Party platform.

Seriously, these guys put the "Old" in "Grand Old Party."

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Re: The Record of Right-Wing Crazy
« Reply #38 on: November 25, 2009, 12:00:37 am »
Those idiots in the Republican Party. They always try to take the moral highground, yet worship Limbaugh and his ilk. Smaller government, my ass. If they had their way, the government would be just as large, except most of it would be "security"and the armed forces. The slightest of seemingly "unpatriotic" ideas would result in being checked out by the government, the Democratic Party would become extinct. the market would be the only thing free about our nation then. Science except where it applies to the military would grind to a halt, our culture would go backwards in time to the 50's era of McCarthyism and white supremacy. We cannot force the system of the past upon the future, it only results in disaster.

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Re: The Record of Right-Wing Crazy
« Reply #39 on: November 25, 2009, 12:38:20 am »
to whoever posted and responded to bash political parties.   :shock:

HOW DISGUSTING!  :picardno

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Re: The Record of Right-Wing Crazy
« Reply #40 on: November 25, 2009, 12:41:11 am »
Quote from: The GOP
1. We support smaller government, smaller national debt, lower deficits and lower taxes by opposing bills like Obama's "stimulus" bill;

I encounter this "smaller government" refrain all the time, yet elected Republicans never move to actually advance that goal. More significantly, the conservative base doesn't seem to mind. For them, this position is rhetorical rather than ideological. I suspect that this is one of the most overinflated statistics in American politics, and that the number of true small-government conservatives is quite small. That's no surprise, since small government doesn't work in modern societies. Our government is already undersized as it is.

Quote from: The GOP
2. We support market-based health care reform and oppose Obama-style government run healthcare;

One remarkable aspect of the past three years, during which Democrats have controlled Congress, is that the Republican minority has been absolutely unified in its opposition to nearly everything. Ironically, this efficiency of discipline is stark proof that the GOP has become severely dysfunctional. The reason is that nearly all Republicans in Congress are ultraconservatives.

History, to the extent it remembers them at all, will look back on today's Republican Party with the disdain that hindsight inevitably brings. Healthcare is one of the biggest problems in the country right now. The public option aside, this bill is full of badly needed reforms. It deserves broad bipartisan support. Yet only one Republican voted for healthcare reform in the House, and the Senate outcome will be similar. While it's possible that some of them will switch and vote in favor of the bill once it comes out of conference, the very real possibility that they won't is startling in its historical clarity.

Quote from: The GOP
3. We support market-based energy reforms by opposing cap and trade legislation;

Hypocrites and opportunists. Earlier in this decade, when liberal interests were advocating for firm limits on pollution, it was the Republicans who introduced and popularized the cap and trade idea. It is, after all, a market-based solution that allows businesses to continue to pollute. It's pretty weak as far as environmental reform goes. And now they're against it anyway.

It's shrewd politics. Republicans operate by steering the dialogue as far to the right as they can. For healthcare reform, they portrayed a national single-payer system as commie-socialism, which scared the Democrats out of considering it in their legislation. Instead they compromised, proposing the public option. The Republicans immediately proceeded to portray the public option as commie-socialism. That's how they roll. They advance their agenda by portraying the other side's proposals as extreme. The Democrats are not currently effective in defending against that tactic. So the Republicans pull it again, and again, and again...including with environmental reform.

Quote from: The GOP
4. We support workers' right to secret ballot by opposing card check;

This is one of the great ironies in the modern GOP: Many of the people who would most benefit from a strong organized labor movement in this country, are also some of the most reliably Republican voters.

It's just a sad, sad testament to the fact that many people can be made to believe anything. For anyone who doesn't make their money by plundering the country, there is no good argument whatsoever against strong labor.

Quote from: The GOP
5. We support legal immigration and assimilation into American society by opposing amnesty for illegal immigrants;

Heh. "Amnesty." I love how much contempt they can pack into single words and short phrases. The Republicans are very good at that. Sometimes I wish that the Republicans actually believed in the stuff they say they believe in. That way I could take some small pleasure in knowing that these idiots are haunted in their dreams by the thought of brown people seeing doctors.

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6. We support victory in Iraq and Afghanistan by supporting military-recommended troop surges;

Two things here. First of all, no way in hell does "victory" mesh with any of the positions laid out in Item 1: smaller government, lower deficits, tax cuts, etc. I don't even know what Republicans would define as "victory" anymore, since by my definition victory in either country is for practical purposes totally out of reach. Second of all, the military's job is to implement the will of the civilian government. Advice is a part of that, but "recommendations" can only be given in response to pre-established objectives provided by the Executive. Anything beyond that is a huge no-no in the democratic system. I'm not saying that it hasn't happened before, or that it isn't happening now, but it shouldn't. In a democracy, it never should. The military gets its orders from the administration, not the other way around.

I suspect many Republicans would be just fine with sacrificing their freedom to live under a military dictatorship, but would soon find that it wasn't all it had been cracked up to be.

Quote from: The GOP
7. We support containment of Iran and North Korea, particularly effective action to eliminate their nuclear weapons threat;

At last! Here's one that makes a modicum of good sense. Unfortunately, that beauty is only skin deep. If you ask the Republicans what "containment" would entail, and how we might "eliminate" the nuclear weapons threat, the solutions they provide are useless or even counterproductive.

Quote from: The GOP
8. We support retention of the Defense of Marriage Act;

Gay brown people seeing doctors...the horror.

Quote from: The GOP
9. We support protecting the lives of vulnerable persons by opposing health care rationing and denial of health care and government funding of abortion;

We already have healthcare rationing in this country. It's called "How much money ya got?" These make-believe government "bureaucrats" would have to be pretty damn atrocious to do a worse job than the private insurers of connecting people with the healthcare they need.

I see they couldn't resist tacking on that bit about abortion at the end, even though it has nothing to do with the rest of their point. Ah, the obsessions of the indignant and depraved...

Quote from: The GOP
10. We support the right to keep and bear arms by opposing government restrictions on gun ownership;

I don't think there has been a single move so far by this administration to impose gun restrictions of any kind. Please let me know if I am mistaken. This is a fight the conservatives seem to have won for the time being.

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Re: The Record of Right-Wing Crazy
« Reply #41 on: November 25, 2009, 02:12:52 am »

When it comes to the GOP and the U.S. forces' policing efforts in Iraq and Afghanistan, they're in the wrong place. After 9/11, they blamed these guys and went after them.  It makes as much sense as them attacking South Africa in response to the Pearl Harbor attacks.

If anything, we should be in Saudi Arabia, a place that needs to undergo a regime change.  Up there in the White-House-dwarfing places of the dignitaries, they spend absurd amounts of money on high-rolling, gambling, and luxury. 

Meanwhile, outside in the public, they face staggering unemployment rates, a collapsing infrastructure, a terrible economy, and the strictest theocracy in the Middle East where they still practice corporeal punishment (aka "steal a loaf of bread, the police cut your hand off").  Women are oppressed to the extreme, and if you practice anything other than Islam in their province, best of luck to you.

Facing such a terrible reality, why isn't the Republican Party doing anything?  Two words: Fossil Fuel.  As long as there's OPEC and Diplomatic Immunity, we're not setting foot in there.  Well, we have, but not for regime change, that's for sure.

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Re: The Record of Right-Wing Crazy
« Reply #42 on: November 25, 2009, 10:48:09 am »
If anything, we should be in Saudi Arabia, a place that needs to undergo a regime change.  Up there in the White-House-dwarfing places of the dignitaries, they spend absurd amounts of money on high-rolling, gambling, and luxury.

There is what should be done, and then there is what can be done. A regime change in Saudi Arabia might be something that should be done, but it isn't in the realm of something that can be done. Iraq was actually a fairly good move, considering the other options. Out of all the nations in the area, it was the one where a regime change could potentially be enacted, where it wouldn't totally piss off its neighbors or our own citizens, and the one for which a cover of legality could be used. I'm not discussing if it was proper in the first place, but if one of those countries was going to be targeted, Iraq was the "smart" choice.

But in my opinion, Carthage must be destroyed.

Facing such a terrible reality, why isn't the Republican Party doing anything?  Two words: Fossil Fuel.

Don't. Really, just don't. Oil is becoming like Hitler; a valid argument could theoretically be constructed which contains that word, but it is unlikely.

What does the Republican party gain by OPEC existing? OPEC is a No Homers Club, and we're Homer.

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Re: The Record of Right-Wing Crazy
« Reply #43 on: November 25, 2009, 02:33:22 pm »
Looks like somebody's in the pocket of Big Oil.

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Re: The Record of Right-Wing Crazy
« Reply #44 on: November 26, 2009, 12:52:00 am »
What does the Republican party gain by OPEC existing? OPEC is a No Homers Club, and we're Homer.

You mean like no Home Runs?  Or Homer Simpson?

 :? Confused, I am.