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_Janus_'s n00b questions regarding CT in general
« on: February 12, 2010, 12:22:14 pm »
Okay, some might sound n00bish, but here goes nothing:

1-Why did Marle Disappear when Lucca first arrived at the Middle Ages?

2-Having Ayla wander through the ages, wouldn't affect the course of things, considering that she at the end returns to Pre-History, but she already saw everything that happened, so she could easily make profit of the things she learned from the future.

3-Are Janus and Schalla step-siblings?

4-Defeating Lavos in 1999 erased the future we saw in the game, right?But all past events(pre1999, like the fall of Zeal and etc) still happened, right?
Would it be possible that in the future created by killing Lavos, if someone created a time machine capable of transporting big stuff, to take a weapon powerful enough to destroy or at least change the course of Lavos so he wouldn't hit the planet?

For now it's all, feel free to call me a n00b-.-"

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« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2010, 12:37:45 pm »
Let's see...

3 - No, it was a mistranslation.

4 - Yes, it is possible once technology reached such a point. However, preventing Lavos from falling into the planet would have a giant impact on history. But beyond that I'm not sure of the answer (which is why I skipped points 1 and 2).

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Re: _Janus_'s n00b questions regarding CT in general
« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2010, 12:46:03 pm »
I'll give you some rudimentary yet sufficient answers to your questions, Janus, but at the same time I'm going to refer you to the Encyclopedia section of the Compendium. If you're interested in any of this, then the moderators, admins and fellow Compendiumites have philosophized, thought over and compiled almost everything you would need to know, plus a lot of things you didn't.

If there's one thing that can't be said about the Compendium, it's that they're not thorough.

http://www.chronocompendium.com/Term/Main_Page.html


1-Why did Marle Disappear when Lucca first arrived at the Middle Ages?

It wasn't Lucca's arrival that caused it; Marle being sent back to the past caused the Guardia Kingdom to call off the search for Queen Leene, who had been missing(abducted by Yakra). In the original timeline(the one that existed before Marle disappeared) Queen Leene was found at the cathedral and Yakra was defeated, and so she lived to have children. Since the search was called off after Marle was found, Queen Leene would have never been rescued, and therefore, not lived to produce offspring who would later become Marle's ancestors.


2-Having Ayla wander through the ages, wouldn't affect the course of things, considering that she at the end returns to Pre-History, but she already saw everything that happened, so she could easily make profit of the things she learned from the future.

I don't see why not, but from my understanding of Ayla's character, I doubt she would be interested in that sort of thing. Plus, she's kind of the ruler of the only patch of civilization in the world at that point, so she can't exactly profit much from it.

3-Are Janus and Schalla step-siblings?

Anything is possible, I suppose, but no. This is a fairly well liked assumption in many fanfic communities to kind of break away from the incest aspect of the SchalaXJanus pairing. There's no evidence to support this, and so I say no...until they make a sequel that says otherwise.

4-Defeating Lavos in 1999 erased the future we saw in the game, right?But all past events(pre1999, like the fall of Zeal and etc) still happened, right?

Yep.

Would it be possible that in the future created by killing Lavos, if someone created a time machine capable of transporting big stuff, to take a weapon powerful enough to destroy or at least change the course of Lavos so he wouldn't hit the planet?

I don't see why not. The question of morality, destroying an entire timeline and sending it to the DBT is another matter though. I doubt Crono & Co. would attempt it.

For now it's all, feel free to call me a n00b-.-"

Nothing wrong with trying to edumacate yourself. In fact, Utunnels recently link to a very nice comic explaining it:

http://www.cad-comic.com/cad/20060823

You're a newb, that's all.
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Re: _Janus_'s n00b questions regarding CT in general
« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2010, 12:50:45 pm »
Thanks for your clarifications, truthordeal, don't close this yet, since I am currently on my 15th run of CT on the last two months, many more questions may arise

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« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2010, 12:58:55 pm »
It wasn't Lucca's arrival that caused it; Marle being sent back to the past caused the Guardia Kingdom to call off the search for Queen Leene, who had been missing(abducted by Yakra). In the original timeline(the one that existed before Marle disappeared) Queen Leene was found at the cathedral and Yakra was defeated, and so she lived to have children. Since the search was called off after Marle was found, Queen Leene would have never been rescued, and therefore, not lived to produce offspring who would later become Marle's ancestors.

Hehe, but that is an interesting idea, just few people could think in that way. :lol:
What if.

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« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2010, 01:02:20 pm »
Another Question: who is the baby that Lucca and "Mini-Robo" find in the wedding ending?

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« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2010, 01:12:59 pm »
That would be Kid.

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« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2010, 01:40:13 pm »

1-Why did Marle Disappear when Lucca first arrived at the Middle Ages?

It wasn't Lucca's arrival that caused it; Marle being sent back to the past caused the Guardia Kingdom to call off the search for Queen Leene, who had been missing(abducted by Yakra). In the original timeline(the one that existed before Marle disappeared) Queen Leene was found at the cathedral and Yakra was defeated, and so she lived to have children. Since the search was called off after Marle was found, Queen Leene would have never been rescued, and therefore, not lived to produce offspring who would later become Marle's ancestors.

I disagree!

This is known around these here parts at the "Marle Paradox" (not to be confused with the Guardia Paradox). It is a point that the compendium's traditional theories have been unable to address. You can see a discussion of a lot of these problems over in the TTI/TB/TE Reformation Idea Collection thread (http://www.chronocompendium.com/Forums/index.php/topic,6845.60.html)

First, the timeline does not change based on WHAT might happen. That is, as long as Leene was alive, we cannot say that her not being rescued because Marle was there resulted in Marle disappearing. This would create a paradox anywho; if Marle's presence caused the search for Leene to be called off, then Marle's disappearance should have called it back on, with would have resulted in her reappearing, which would have resulted in it being called off, which would have resulted in her disappearing, and so forth.

Second, the timeline changes seemingly immediately. We don't ever get to see the full process of a time change, but as soon as you change the past and warp to the future, the future is changed. There seems to be no delay between a change in the past and its affect on the future. Thus, as soon as the search for Leene was called off, Marle should have disappeared. That she did not disappear then indicates that more than the search was important.

Third, we know that Frog was still searching for Leene despite Marle being found. He knew Marle wasn't Leene. Thus, in all likelihood Leene would have still been found.

This is as far as we can go based only on what they game tells us.

We can speculate, however. My own speculation is that something about Lucca's presence in 600 AD caused a definitive decision to be made (definitive enough to have the same weight as action) that resulted in Leene not producing royal heirs. This was then counteracted by a subsequent definitive decision that was made shortly after Leene returned to the castle (as soon as Leene was saved, Marle should have reappeared but there was a cinematic delay). Thus, given Frog's persistence in finding Leene, his disgrace after her return, and the alternate ending where Marle is frogish in nature, I conclude that something about Lucca being present in 600 AD caused Frog to decide to rescue Leene and run away with her. That decision resulted in Marle's disappearance because Frog's decision was as good as gold and better. Marle reappeared because Crono and Lucca's influence foiled that plan and that decision became impossible.

Whatever the actual reason, Marle disappearing because of the search being called off makes the least sense.

2-Having Ayla wander through the ages, wouldn't affect the course of things, considering that she at the end returns to Pre-History, but she already saw everything that happened, so she could easily make profit of the things she learned from the future.

First, you are touching upon the Guardia Paradox (the entire guardia line should disappear when Ayla disappears, for the same reason Marle disappeared). She returns to pre-history, true, but until she actually does so, her return can't be taken as having happened (unless, I suppose, her decision to do so was as solid as Frog's and there was a significant degree of inevitability about it, as per my speculation above).

However, that aside, you are forgetting that she only knows humanity's future, not her own. She doesn't learn how to use any technology that her people don't already have (and don't forget, they have guns!). How could her knowledge of the future then be put to use for fun and profit?


4-Defeating Lavos in 1999 erased the future we saw in the game, right?But all past events(pre1999, like the fall of Zeal and etc) still happened, right? Would it be possible that in the future created by killing Lavos, if someone created a time machine capable of transporting big stuff, to take a weapon powerful enough to destroy or at least change the course of Lavos so he wouldn't hit the planet?

Sort of, but it would be highly dangerous to do so. Let us say that Belthasar from Chrono Cross did this; Lavos is deflected, he never falls. The reptite win the war with the primates, humanity never creates a civilization, Belthasar is never born, he never creates the weapon to deflect Lavos, so Lavos falls and we repeat. Too bad the Chronoverse doesn't have some sort of race of cool aliens who have mastered time travel and created laws regarding such to prevent paradoxes like this. url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_Lord]Time Lords, if you will.[/url]

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« Reply #8 on: February 12, 2010, 07:17:19 pm »
 We love answering questions like this. it makes us feel special :D

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« Reply #9 on: February 12, 2010, 11:04:07 pm »
We love answering questions like this. it makes us feel special :D

So much truth in this statement, Captain. Janus, I think you just made yourself a LOT of friends!

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« Reply #10 on: February 15, 2010, 10:21:20 am »
that's good, I think.
Also, before anything else, I want to ask all of you to try not to spoil CC for me, or at least, not much, since I never played it, and I avoid reading anything about it:)
I wanna be surprised when I play it.

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« Reply #11 on: February 15, 2010, 11:12:54 am »
that's good, I think.
Also, before anything else, I want to ask all of you to try not to spoil CC for me, or at least, not much, since I never played it, and I avoid reading anything about it:)
I wanna be surprised when I play it.

Oh, you WILL be surprised!  I spent the entire time playing it saying "WTF???  Holy shit, WTF???"  It's great.  :D

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« Reply #12 on: February 15, 2010, 12:53:30 pm »
When I recenlty played CT a few weeks ago, I had some surprises, I never expected Magus/Janus to ever join the team, and when I discovered that he wasn't the real antagonist, I was very surprisd.

CT and CC are so awesme :D

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« Reply #13 on: February 15, 2010, 04:27:02 pm »
When I recenlty played CT a few weeks ago, I had some surprises, I never expected Magus/Janus to ever join the team, and when I discovered that he wasn't the real antagonist, I was very surprisd.

CT and CC are so awesme :D

Especially the first playthrough, Magus has some REALLY good surprise moments. The first time I figured out Janus was Magus, I was like

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« Reply #14 on: February 15, 2010, 04:51:08 pm »
Hahaha I distinctly remember the first time you meet up with Magus at the North Cape.  I was watching my boyfriend play through the game, and he asked if he should fight Magus.  I practically screamed "NO NO NO!  DON'T FIGHT HIM!"  And then when he joined the party I squealed with joy.  That was the best surprise ever.