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Does anyone else think OCRemix sucks?
« on: March 18, 2010, 11:33:23 pm »
I think OC Remix sucks... I can't stand any of their remixes and I think ALL of their remixes ruin the original feel of the song.

I do think that some remixes like that work, but a very select few and I just think that OC Remix is the anti-christ in VG Music.

it's just my opinion, so if you like OC Remix do not judge me. I dislike them I just want to see if it's just me or if others think the same way.

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Re: Does anyone else think OCRemix sucks?
« Reply #1 on: March 18, 2010, 11:40:30 pm »
There are a lot of blase songs on OCR, but you kinda have to sift to find the good ones. Most of the music on my mp3 player right now (not counting CHRONOTORIOUS or the Halo albums) comes from OCR. There are a few absolutely, stunningly beautiful Corridors of Time and Magus remixes there. Try Zeal Love, Corrupter of Time, A Storm in the Desert, Rose General, and Black Wind Rising, for starters. The title of Best Remix is stuck somewhere between those ones.

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Re: Does anyone else think OCRemix sucks?
« Reply #2 on: March 18, 2010, 11:53:52 pm »
OCR's gotten worse with time. The judge panel system's resulted in a very narrow standard of acceptable remixes, leaving a lot of good stuff out. The admins, mods, etc. are generally egomaniacs, which is unsurprising since they're 1) nerds and 2) "musicians", a lethal combination of narcissistic inferiority complexes. Djpretzel once banned 26 people for saying the site's new sidebar was ugly. You're dealing with antisocial people there.

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Re: Does anyone else think OCRemix sucks?
« Reply #3 on: March 19, 2010, 12:07:53 am »
Like many communities, Overclocked Remix has become corrupted by its power and now prefers to judge music to the community's perceived standards rather than on what I would term the true merits of the music. I've noticed, over time, that as the production values have improved, the excellence of the music has declined. Newer remixes tend to be overworked, as if to boast of the remixer's high-quality sound library and proficiency with the music editing software. In this excess of plumbing is lost the soul of the music. I used to consider Overclocked Remix a pretty good "hunting ground" for remixes, but today there are more misses than hits. That said, there are many good songs on the site, including some newer ones.

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Re: Does anyone else think OCRemix sucks?
« Reply #4 on: March 19, 2010, 01:09:53 am »
A friend of mine got me real excited one day when he told me that such a site as OCRemix existed, and that they had Chrono Trigger music. Alas, the happy was short lived, as most of what I found that day was some brand of uber-techno or a variant of Corridors of Time(I'm sorry, I just don't like that song very much).

Now, I'm not musicologist, nor am I a musician, or any smart-sounding title that involves the word "music," or some root thereof. I listen to music, I like music, and I hate some music, but I can't really appreciate it on a level that I think entitles me to judge most works critically. "I like it or I don't," is pretty much my only criteria.

The point of all this rambling is simply to give some context for my opinion on the matter: I don't particularly like most of what I've found on OCR, but it's pretty vanilla of me to just say "it sucks." Although, from what I've heard about the admin and mod groups....can't really say that I like that.


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Re: Does anyone else think OCRemix sucks?
« Reply #5 on: March 19, 2010, 01:40:10 am »
Well, I like the newgrounds audio portal. It gives a freedom to all submitters that their song will get on, but the community itself scores the songs so you will get a true rating.

Search Magus on the NG audio portal and you will find the tops in the remixes. I think they are just better than any of those on OCR no offense to Zeph.

Also, I hate the mashups they do... if I want mashups then put it under a seperate category and don't give me a mashup of 3 different songs when I only wanted Sealed Door. That's the reason I clicked it.

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Re: Does anyone else think OCRemix sucks?
« Reply #6 on: March 19, 2010, 01:41:53 am »
I never really had a problem with OCRemix, as long as the song was well composed. Like Zephira said above, you have to find the good ones.

I do wish they did more symphonic remixes, though.

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Re: Does anyone else think OCRemix sucks?
« Reply #7 on: March 19, 2010, 01:54:44 am »
Also, I hate the mashups they do... if I want mashups then put it under a seperate category and don't give me a mashup of 3 different songs when I only wanted Sealed Door. That's the reason I clicked it.

That's a complaint of mine, too, although one that I feel puts me in the Crotchety Old Fogey category. =P

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Re: Does anyone else think OCRemix sucks?
« Reply #8 on: March 19, 2010, 01:19:03 pm »
Can't you tell what ones are mash-ups when they list multiple songs? >_>

I don't have anything to say about the community as I'm not really a part of it, myself, but at least one good thing's come of it (this here website)...

As for the tunes, I love quite a few songs of both the techno and the orchestrated sides. They aren't meant to replace the originals, more like making homage or showcasing how versatile the source material really is...Plus, there's like 4 or 5 versions of Terra/Tina's Theme from FFVI that easily match (/exceed) the original...then again, I absolutely love CotMM where many just aren't into it...Music's subjective. Go fig.

Also, I'm not sure I agree with having a topic title expressly for bashing a certain anything. If you want to discuss OCR, sure, but this is basically saying "I hate this thing, who's with me?"...just seems to give a bad sort of flame-like message...
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Re: Does anyone else think OCRemix sucks?
« Reply #9 on: March 19, 2010, 02:35:28 pm »
I love a lot of works the OCRemix community has pumped out. Their requirements for submission are rather stringent I take it, and often lead to compositions that wildly differ from the source material, but it isn't always a bad thing. I just hope the OCRemix administration's colorful history and reputation aren't diverting fans from seriously evaluating the work of the rank-and-file artists there.

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How's VGMix doing nowadays? Is it...doing at all? It was nice to be able to go between OCRemix and VGMix back in the day, and take in all the different works.

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Re: Does anyone else think OCRemix sucks?
« Reply #10 on: March 19, 2010, 03:29:41 pm »
Are there any different remix sites at all? OCR and VGM are all I know of, and the Compendium has an incomplete Chrono remix collection. It'd be nice if there were a remix site as large and comprehensive as OCR, but without the reputation issues. An artist biography section would be nice, too. I only recently discovered that the lady who did Rose General has a ton of other songs, but only one is submitted to OCR, and no mention is made at all of the others.

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Re: Does anyone else think OCRemix sucks?
« Reply #11 on: March 19, 2010, 03:52:12 pm »

I am generally divided on how to interpret their remixes of Chrono music (i.e. why all the technopop influence v.s. the Orchestration is executed fairly well), but one thing is certain amongst its forum members:

They all want the website to be more strict in their submission guidelines... and they're pretty much happy-go-lucky people where only the artists seem to get along. 

Long story short: If you don't agree with their music, you are met with opposition that borders on alienation.  You'd think that the music is the reason the members get together and share the fun of enjoying said music.

(fyi to OCRemix artists: the fact that nobody understands your work doesn't make you an artist)

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Re: Does anyone else think OCRemix sucks?
« Reply #12 on: March 19, 2010, 04:48:45 pm »
"Zeno Paradox" changed my life. True story.

Hehe, in my case, it was bLiNd's Dream of Zeal, the first CT remix I heard. I still have the original file; last modified August 24, 2002.

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Re: Does anyone else think OCRemix sucks?
« Reply #13 on: March 19, 2010, 07:56:18 pm »
Yeah, I still have that remix too! It always makes me think of driving through a brightly lit city at night.

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Re: Does anyone else think OCRemix sucks?
« Reply #14 on: March 19, 2010, 10:38:32 pm »
(fyi to OCRemix artists: the fact that nobody understands your work doesn't make you an artist)
fyi, all artists who have submitted to OCR do not necessarily share the same philosophy about music and remixing.

I've said it before, and I guess I might as well say it again: OCR is a community of people, just like this one. Anyone can join and submit. There is no all-encompassing creed that must be agreed upon and accepted in order to post there. I know this because all the crap I hear about the site, such as that alluded to in this thread, is nothing I have ever personally encountered. That means we can't all be bad.

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...which is unsurprising since they're 1) nerds and 2) "musicians", a lethal combination of narcissistic inferiority complexes.
As both a nerd and musician (or is it "musician"?), I suppose I'm obligated to take offense to this. :p

The perception that academic and critical interest in art somehow necessitates pretentiousness is unfortunately common. People in general get so incredibly defensive when facing criticism of their perceptions of music, it's almost funny. The problem is that those not educated in music philosophically put all their eggs into one basket.

One of the common perceptions I challenge is the matter of "composer x sounds like composer y". Usually, there's an easy way to prove them wrong. Just like authors, composers imbue their work (both consciously and unconsciously) with stylistic tendencies unique to their personal musical "persona" if I can be afforded to call it that. But even when challenged with this, the defendant immediately cries "subjective!" and falls back on the merits of their personal freedom of choice. Suddenly whether one composer sounds like another composer becomes an entirely subjective matter.

As long as person A believes "well, I think it sounds like this, therefore it's true", person B is pretentious and has a complex if he posits a challenge. The natural sciences possess the luxury of immunity to this sort of nonsense, but those of us who practice art seriously must accept the uninformed ramblings of even the most artistically handicapped individual or be chastised for our arrogance.

I don't begrudge anyone their views on music. In fact, I wish healthy and critical discussion of music was a more common element of the public consciousness. I think it would be invaluable as a tool of teaching in our schools. But more often than not, such discussion is limited to whether or not something is liked or not.

What bothers me most is that many people treat their enjoyment of particular music as a personal possession. That is, they seem to appreciate it more for how it augments their own personal image rather than on the merits of the music itself or the composer who constructed it.

So, let me ask a question to those of you who try to hunt down remixes of specific pieces of music: why do you want remixes?

I would guess that the reason you do it is because you want to hear a different interpretation of the original, because you feel that the original is quality source material for a new interpretation.

If, however, you're not looking for a new interpretation, then why isn't the original good enough? You just want a transcription with better or different synth? If that's the case, I've got great news for you: that's easy to do. It's easy to take existing material and republish it.

I'll end with another question, a very open-ended question: what do you want from remixes? What do you want to hear? What specific styles, specific pieces of music, specific instruments, etc.? If you have criticism of the music you've heard thus far, then you must therefore be capable of explaining your criticism.