2 Time Traveling Theories

[DarkGizmo]

I've seen someone saying that Marle actuallu meeting Doan is a plot hole, when I though that Crono killing Lavos was a plot hole, since if Lavos would be destroyed the deta in 2300 AD would have been destroyed and thus Crono would not have know of Lavos (I didn't understood CT's tiemt ravelign though), but if this could be fixed with the DBT eating time periods.

My first theory is when you time travel it actually use the old time period (the one before you never time travel or something like this) so you can see your ancestror (such has Doan)... Now I see this is really not a good one, maybe we could work it?

Second the marle disapearing in 600 AD is impossible due to the Time Travelers immunity, but *imagine* that time immunity would be something you get better at, like sailing (sea sick) for example. That would expalkin the fat that the purple vortex gets shorter each time you time travel.

What do you guyz/gals(?) thinks?

[Sentenal]

Crono can see the video in the destroyed future because he had not saved it yet.

And how exactly would someone get better at Time Traveler's Immunity?

[ZeaLitY]

The first does have problems, but the second doesn't at all. The future isn't written, and causal loops don't exist. Crono saw the video, saved the world, and now lives happily in the world he helped create with total memory of his doings.

Now, the Doan thing is technically a problem. Doan is from the ruined future, and was brought out after Lavos's defeat. However, the ruined future disappeared the instant Lavos was defeated. The only way to reconcile this neatly is to say Lucca brought Doan from the future for some odd reason before the battle, but since we sort of have a permanent tab on Lucca throughout the game, it's edgy.

[V_Translanka]

How do we know they dissapeared instantly? We know that the Gates themselves did not, so why did the timelines? If nothing else, perhaps the Entity allowed it to be done so as to let them have their goodbyes...

[X ATM038x]

Well, Doan is either dressed up like before, but I think he got to 1000 AD before Chrono defeats Lavos. Because when he does, the new Doan is the perfect timeline doesn't know Chrono right? Because Chrono visited 2300 AD in the ruined future and not in the perfect timeline...  When Chrono defeats Lavos the new timeline is triggered too, so Lucca couldn't really have brought the Doan from the perfect future. It sure is a plot hole -_-!

[Sentenal]

Yes, he would have had to be brought back pre-Lavos defeat, but how?  We have constant tabs on Lucca...

[Zatopek]

It's a plot hole as far as I'm concerned.

[kazmaka]

most of the articles people have wrote here seem to be plot holes at first, its just peoples imagination and knowledge that seem to create intriguing stories as to how CT actaully happened. have you ever wondered if the makers thought at all about half the stuff you have? it would be intriguing to find out what the makers think about all your thoughts, and see how close you come to the truth.

[Shadow_Dragon]

Say Doan had a random Epoch lying around. How would he use it 'before' Lavos was defeated in 1999? The timeline goes along, and Lavos dies before Doan even has a chance to travel back in time. It might be possible for Doan to have time-traveled from a timeline before the one with the final battle (like he time travelled in the timeline where Crono and co. do they're last time-travel into the past...)

P.S. For the record, Chrono Trigger is made of many many many plot holes; traveling back in time and merely talking to someone WOULD affect the future, but that can't be expected from a SNES game

[Legend of the Past]

traveling back in time and merely talking to someone WOULD affect the future

Well, yeah, but it's like removing a cell from a body. It has some sort of effect, but no where near disastarous. Bumping into your eight-year-old dad on the street on his way to the candy shop woulden't matter to anyone.

[AuraTwilight]

We don't nessesarily have a tab on Lucca at all times. Say she was in the End of Time during the Lavos battle and she snuck away like at the forest campfire. And now you know the rest of the story.

[Legend of the Past]

We don't nessesarily have a tab on Lucca at all times. Say she was in the End of Time during the Lavos battle and she snuck away like at the forest campfire. And now you know the rest of the story.

Sure, instead of watching the most decisive and epic battle in the history of and the future of the Planet she decides to sneak out and bring Marle's relative.

Seriously, I think Lavos didn't die on the spot, and only until he had truly, truly died did the new future come into effect. Until then, Lucca could bring anyone anywhere.

[Shadow_Dragon]

No one listened to me?
It'd be impossible for Lucca to have gotten Doan in the same timeline that Crono and co. defeat Lavos; if she went into the future in the same timeline that Crono and co. defeat Lavos she'd end up in the prosperous future. However, she could've snuck away when the crew goes to 2400 AD, gotten Doan, and snuck him into the EoT...

Also, doing the smallest thing WOULD have an effect on the future... Ok, so I'll use the example of doing one thing or not doing it, which is basically the same as effecting the past. So I decide to move the chair sitting next to me over by a bit. The remote's sitting on the chair, and tomorrow I can't reach the remote since I moved the chair, so I decide not to turn on the T.V. Instead of watching T.V. I start listening to music on my computer instead, and because I didn't watch T.V. whatever television station notices one less person viewing whatever show. Instead of having 66,667 people watching whatever show 66,666 do. One of the producers, who's very religious, notices this as a sign and cancels the show. A new show gets put in its place and focuses on terrorism with a very pessimistic view, that America's about to be blown up. One of the president's cabinet member's wives sees the show and becomes insanely scared. Her husband soon also gets the same opinion, and influences the president to completely bomb every country with any history of any terrorism.

If I don't move the chair, I watch T.V., 66,667 viewers watch the show, the show continues, the cabinet member's wife doesn't watch the new show, her husband doesn't get paranoid, and the president doesn't bomb the Middle East.


Ok, so that's EXTREMELY coincidental, but that's in the course of a day. Over 400 years the difference can grow extremely big even without extreme coincidences.

However, my example is hypothetical because, as far as I'm concerned, I wouldn't be able to make the choice between moving or not moving the chair, because whatever happened to me before would determine which I would decide, like everything happens in a sort of cause-and-effect manner. However, I don't try to go against time-travel by claiming that there's fate, since there's no reason why time-travel can't be part of the effect of the cause-and-effect.

[Oswego del Fuego]

Though it defies all reason, my guess is that Doan exists in the new timeline.  This is why there is a reason for the team to be optimistic that Robo will also continue to exist.  That's how I took it, anyway, and since the game is full of coincidences that spit in the eye of probability... why not?

OdF

[kazmaka]

Though it defies all reason, my guess is that Doan exists in the new timeline.  This is why there is a reason for the team to be optimistic that Robo will also continue to exist.  That's how I took it, anyway, and since the game is full of coincidences that spit in the eye of probability... why not?

OdF

even if there is a doan in the new future he would not have any memories of the lavos events or seeing the crono, so if that did happen it would lucca would have told him everything that happened and he would then relay that message to the king, making him a sort of imposter.