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« on: June 22, 2005, 02:57:17 pm »
An idea to throw in here for debate. It was said in Chrono Cross that the Frozen Flame is a fragment of Lavos' shell. That just recently brought up the question: What about the shells of the Lavos Spawn from Death Peak?

I think it's an interesting idea. Discuss, if you please.

Edit: And yes, I am fully aware that by killing Lavos, Crono and co. had stopped the creation of the Lavos Spawn. Doesn't ruin the idea, though.

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« Reply #1 on: June 22, 2005, 09:12:44 pm »
The Frozen Flame as a piece of Lavos' shell, and the Lavos Spawn are it's offspring...

Like this:  Someone rips my arm off.  Later on, I have kids.  Severed Arm=Future children?  Nope.

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« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2005, 11:37:51 pm »
The question here is does every Lavoid can make/create/drop a frozen flame?

 if yes is there an age?

if no what make Lavos so special?

I would go for the yes the lavos spawn should be able to form one but maybe not that young

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« Reply #3 on: June 23, 2005, 05:52:30 pm »
See, my thought was that their shells might, in themselves, be a form of 'frozen flame' on their own, if not a weaker version. (might be the whole shell, but the power/hatred/whatever of a full sized Lavoid wouldn't have had time to fully manifest in the younger ones, resulting in decreased power.

This brings up many questions, like, "How would that have affected Crono and co.'s climb on death peak, the conditions on death peak, themselves, and the future of that future of the planet?"

I'm sorry if any of this is confusing. Really.

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« Reply #4 on: June 24, 2005, 06:18:11 pm »
I think the Lavos was special because he was already in Mature form, and already very powerful, while the Lavos spawns were newborns.

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« Reply #5 on: June 25, 2005, 06:39:27 am »
Is the FF stated as being specifically from Lavos' shell?

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« Reply #6 on: June 25, 2005, 06:59:17 am »
It was stated, "A fragment of Lavos' shell," by Belthasar. That seems rather clear to me.

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« Reply #7 on: June 25, 2005, 07:04:35 am »
:o aight, just wondering

Perhaps the speciality of Lavos comes from the fact that it is more mature (at least enough to be hurling through space, yes?) or perhaps it was created through the interaction of Lavos and the planet's atmosphere and/or the impact itself...

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« Reply #8 on: June 25, 2005, 12:14:36 pm »
Didn't it say somewhere that the Flame broke off in the crash? I would assume that the crash itself would have had to do with the Flames production, if it did indeed break off in the crash.

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« Reply #9 on: June 25, 2005, 01:35:28 pm »
Quote from: V_Translanka
or perhaps it was created through the interaction of Lavos and the planet's atmosphere and/or the impact itself...

Perhaps through the interaction of Lavos and the planet's Dreamstone?

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« Reply #10 on: March 06, 2006, 03:05:22 pm »
If you want to get technical about the velocity/speed/space travel and whatnot, Lavos probably also got pretty toasted entering the world's atmosphere.

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« Reply #11 on: March 06, 2006, 04:33:49 pm »
The whole idea of having more than one Frozen Flame is kind of stupid. I mean, that kind of defies the point of CC's one.

I doubt the Lavoid's have Frozen Flame's or whatever. Personally, does anyone know what the Japanese version stated on the flame? Wether it was a part of his shell, or could it have been a part of his brain, a heart? etc.

Personally, I don't think that there is more than one Lavos (except for this original one). And if there were, I don't think they'd all have flames. The flames creation could have been accidental, and I don't think it matters to Lavos wether humans evolve fast or not. It just gives him more time to sleep and absorb their DNA.

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« Reply #12 on: March 06, 2006, 05:03:24 pm »
The Japanese game does sort've imply that the Frozen Flame was an anomaly in Lavoid development.

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« Reply #13 on: March 06, 2006, 06:53:31 pm »
I think part of Lavos' shell breaking off at really high speed (also very warm in temperature) smashing and embedding into some random rock (Dreamstone or something completely different) and then reacting really strangely to form the FF...

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« Reply #14 on: March 06, 2006, 07:47:40 pm »
Heheh... I had this fangame seed concerning the Frozen Flame, Lavos and the Entity growing in my head for a while... It's like this: Lavos and the Entity/Earth's spirit are beings from an alien world nearing total destruction. (Yes. I just said that Earth is from outside the Earth.) Lavos, an ancient and night all-powerful time mage, and other unlikely heroes fought to reverse the inevitable doom of their race, however Lavos realized that they did not have the power to change the destinty by themselves and disappeared. The other unlikely heroes, consisting of a swordplaying kid with a radical hairdo, a blue-haired elemental genius, a hot-blooded archer, and a gunner(ess?) of science, continued to fight, however. Though, the unlikely heroes find out that their lost companion has discovered a way out... Creating an ultimate beast with every powers of all known living things. The heroes, being all nice and heroic, try to stop Lavos' parasitic plan. In Lavos' new celestial body, the heroes fight to a bitter end. Just before their existence was erased, their spirits dove into a special Dreamstone crafted by three wise men. The Dreamstone was lodged deep into Lavos' soul, becoming something like a cancer to his being. The pain caused Lavos to nearly lose its sanity and steer far away from his homeland. After millions of years inner battle, Lavos succeeded to remove the cancer from his spirit and threw it away, as it violently landed on a planet inhabited by Reptites and apes. To recover from its wound Lavos buried deep into the planet's core, draining its energy to heal itself for next sixty five million years. Being fueled by Lavos' warped energy, the special Dreamstone transformed into the Frozen Flame. A while after, when humans made their first contact with the Frozen Flame, the spirits hidden inside the Dreamstone moved into them, installing their blueprints, power to magic, and accidently shard of Lavos' very own soul... Freed from the Dreamstone, the spirits migrated into the Earth, observing and orchestrating its continued battle to stop Lavos, carried out by their second reincarations. Or so. The game would focus on Lavos' and the heroes' fight to change its inevitable fate, if I do get serious with this and write it up. :P